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Reply #45 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:58am
 
No bob, whores get paid...you're just a hussy.
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Reply #46 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:02am
 
Call it what you will.  I'm still the one that's getting some.

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Reply #47 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:08pm
 
*tear* It's like we got the band back together!

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Reply #48 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:15pm
 
Uh oh!  Every reunion tour eventually goes down in flames!


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Reply #49 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:27pm
 
I will join the tour!


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Reply #50 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:47am
 
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U.S. stock futures blasted after Asia plunge
Futures can't go any lower
By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
Last update: 8:16 a.m. EDT Oct. 24, 2008


LONDON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stock futures pointed to another monumental beating on Friday - with leading contracts falling as much as rules allow -- as a plunge in Asia reignited concerns about the health of the global economy.

S&P 500 futures dropped 60 points to 855.20 and Nasdaq 100 futures fell 85 points to 1,168.50. Dow industrial futures fell 550 points.  All three contracts fell so much that they reached pre-specified limits that can't be broken until pit trading opens.

Thursday's session for U.S. stocks was erratic but generally positive, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average closing 172 points higher and the S&P 500 rising 11 points, though the Nasdaq Composite slipped 11 points.  But that wasn't the case in Asia, where the Nikkei 225 tumbled 9.6% in Tokyo as Japanese traders got their first chance to react to Sony's profit warning, and the Kospi plunged 10.6% in South Korea. Europe stocks also were crushed, with the Dow Jones Stoxx 600 losing 7.4%.

"Everyone is staring at their screens in disbelief," said Tom Hougaard, a strategist at City Index in London.  "It is tough to reverse the direction on a Friday. It will depend on how much forced selling pressure we see," added Marc Pado, a strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald.  Profit warnings came from international firms like Samsung Electronics, Air France-KLM, Volvo and PSA Peugeot Citroen.

The losses also came as the Korea economy grew at its weakest pace in four years during the third quarter, and Britain's economy contracted a worse-than-forecast 0.5% during the third quarter.  The dollar plunged against the low-yielding Japanese yen, falling nearly 6% to 92.35 yen. The British pound plunged against the dollar.

Denmark hiked the rates on its certificates of deposits by a half point to protect its currency, a move similar to the one Hungary took earlier this week. The U.S. economic calendar is on the light side, with existing home sales for September due for release shortly after the open.
Oil futures fell $4.76 to $63.08 a barrel as OPEC cut production by 1.5 million barrels of oil a day.

GM shares dropped 13%, with traders citing concerns about the automaker's health. A General Motors spokesman said the automaker was not filing for bankruptcy.  Apple fell 7%. HSBC Holdings, one of the lenders that's emerged relatively unscathed by the credit crisis, tumbled 15%.

Microsoft fell 6.1% after it cut its forecasts late Thursday, though the lowered earnings outlook wasn't steep.  For its current quarter ending in December, Microsoft said it expects earnings between 51 cents and 53 cents a share, and between $17.3 billion and $17.8 billion in revenue. Analysts have been estimating the company would post earnings of 55 cents a share in the period and $17.9 billion in revenue. 



Please securely fasten your seatbelts, lean forward and place your head between your knees.  We will give you further instructions as warranted.  Thank you for your cooperation.

As one MarketWatch reader so eloquently put it...

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This is a global, systemic crisis that is spiraling out of control day by day. In spite of every financial trick known to man, they can't plug the dike. Why? Because, as it was so famously stated, a market crash is not the destruction of capital, but the recognition of capital previously destroyed through misallocation of assets. We've seen the world's largest bubble collapse. This is not a normal market cycle. There is a panic rush for cash and safety of any kind right now.

Good luck, all. Don't forget to order your heirloom vegetable seeds (non hybrid so you can't replant year after year from the produce). We'll need those victory gardens soon.


It was a fun ride, eh?

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Reply #51 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 12:22pm
 
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We're All Madoff - This is an uncomfortable reality, but it is reality"
By Karl Denninger

"Mr. Madoff stands accused of (in his own words) running "a Ponzi Scheme."

In fact, our entire economy over the last ten years, and really back to at least 1987, has been roughly equivalent to what Mr. Madoff was doing.

So has our government.

Let's go down the list of things that have been inflated beyond their natural boundaries, and look at how each and every one of them was destined to collapse--and why they're all collapsing at once:

The Internet Bubble

While there were companies that made a real pre-tax operating profit (and a real net profit), mine included, the vast majority of the firms in the Internet space did no such thing. They reported "pro-forma" earnings, used EBIDTA (that's earnings before interest, depreciation, taxation and amortization, as if none of those things count) while levering up (meaning: interest was going to continue to rise!) as their primary profit gauge, and in fact operated with leverage ratios (total assets deployed to tangible equity - that is, value) that were in the stratosphere.

In short they borrowed to pay back their previous loans and make payroll, and when the lenders (which were in some cases equipment manufacturers) realized that they'd been had, the entire house of cards came tumbling down.

The Housing Bubble

Homes, as a place to live, must be able to be purchased for a reasonable percentage of one's income. What's "reasonable"? History says that this is 28% of your pretax income for all your direct household expenses (principal, interest, taxes and insurance plus mandatory spending such as utilities and a maintenance reserve) and 36% of your pretax income for all debt service including household and other. Note that at the "maximum leverage" that is sustainable you have only 8% of your pretax income available for "other debt service"; how many people can meet that? Think folks - if you have a $100,000 income, this means you have only eight thousand dollars for all payments on other debt. Two modest car loans and their insurance will exceed this limit for someone who makes $100,000 - and we're talking Ford's here (small sedans too, not SUVs), not Benz's or Lexii.

As these ratios were exceeded in order to remain "affordable" increasingly exotic terms were required, starting back in 2001 when the car makers were cajoled by the Bush Administration to put forward their "Drive America" program with zero-percent interest for three years. As this crept further and further into our economy mortgage programs that were in fact not mortgages (as there was absolutely no possibility of the borrower paying them off on the original terms) were pushed in order to keep property values climbing. In 2007 the limit of this insanity was reached, the "last sucker" was found, and the pyramid collapsed as these so-called "mortgages" were exposed for what they really were - a serial-refinancing scheme designed to strip equity and transfer it to the bankers. The entire scheme collapsed and along with it our markets and economy.

The Stock and Credit Markets Generally

The Internet Bubble and Housing Bubble were the externally-visible symptoms of what was going on behind the scenes. The S&P 500 was posting "earnings" of more than $100 a share, but those "earnings" were a phantom. "Private Equity" and "Hedge Funds" were buying companies and essentially flipping them using debt backed by bank credit that was, like in the housing and Internet markets, backed by nothing other than vapor.

Commercial Real Estate deals were being done at "cap rates" that were unbelievably optimistic, essentially not even paying the interest due, banking on the ability to roll the debt as "property values never go down." Anyone remember "M&A Monday" on CNBC through all of 2006 and the spring and summer of 2007? What was that all about, if not flipping companies like speculators flipped houses?

Our Government's Finances

We put into place Social Security and Medicare, two schemes that have accumulated fifty three trillion dollars in forward liabilities with zero in assets behind them. These liabilities are growing at a rate several times that of GDP. Then, as if this wasn't enough, we passed "Medicare Part D" which has now added even more to the liability side of the balance sheet but which was and is totally unfunded by assets. This both can and will collapse just as did the Housing and Internet bubbles. Our government has been spending money it doesn't (and never will) have for a very long time, but we have now entered the phase (just like the Internet and Housing Bubbles) where debt is increasing at an exponential rate compared to assets.

We have, in the last year, nearly doubled the outstanding public debt commitments on the United States ($8 trillion added against a $10 trillion base), with the previous $10 trillion itself having doubled from $5 trillion in the space of just a bit more than a decade.

There are many who say that our government debt-bubble will not collapse, and they list a whole host of reasons.

Why would you believe that?

Can you show, through history, one speculative bubble that has not popped?

Can you find one time - just once - that such a bubble was able to be grown without limit?

Simply put: No.


I thought this was an excellent article, and it does a great job of summarizing and explaining some of the craziness that is roiling the markets right now.  You can read the rest of the article here.

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Reply #52 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:19pm
 
Epic read.

This line I found particularly poetic.

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Money is in fact production; you gain it only three ways - by growing something, mining something or making something. That is, by producing a thing (whether it be a car, apples, a barrel of oil or software) that did not exist before. In the most-basic of terms, all money ultimately comes from the energy imparted upon the earth by the Sun.
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Reply #53 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:27pm
 
So true.  When I got to that line, I really had to stop and think for a minute.  It's incredibly mind-boggling how even our most advanced economic practices and theories all come right back to what God has given us.

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Reply #54 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 1:04pm
 
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FOX Business Network has filed a lawsuit against the United States Treasury Department over failure to provide information on the bailout funds or respond to FBN’s expedited requests filed under the Freedom of Information Act [FOIA].

The initial request, filed on November 25, sought actual data on the use of the bailout funds for American International Group and the Bank of New York Mellon, and an additional request, filed on December 1, sought similar data on the bailout funds for Citigroup, Inc. FBN is asking for the Treasury Department to identify, among other issues, the troubled assets purchased, any collateral extended, and any restrictions placed on these financial institutions for their participation in this program.

Kevin Magee, Executive Vice President, FOX News commented, “The Treasury has repeatedly ignored our requests for information on how the government is allocating money to these troubled institutions. In a critical time like this amidst mounting corruptions and an economic crisis, we as a news organization feel it’s more important than ever to hold the government accountable.”

Steven Mintz, Esq. of Mintz & Gold LLP, and legal counsel for the network added, “Despite the several requests for expedited information filed by FBN, it has become apparent that the Treasury will not cooperate without mounting legal pressure. Therefore, we have filed a complaint in the Federal Court in New York and ask the Court to make the Treasury provide the information sought by the journalists at FBN.”



I wonder if this will go anywhere?  I can't believe congress isn't raking Paulson and Bernanke over the coals for the lack of transparency in this socialist takeover "bailout."

I'd love to see the Treasury describe this as a matter of national security to avoid the FoIA disclosure requirements.


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Reply #55 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:16am
 
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I just wanted to share this lovely little chart with you guys.  This is the number of dollars circulating right now.  Does anybody else see a scary trend?


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Reply #56 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:21pm
 
b0b wrote on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:27pm:
So true.  When I got to that line, I really had to stop and think for a minute.  It's incredibly mind-boggling how even our most advanced economic practices and theories all come right back to what God has given us.

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Oh please, money comes from the Sun?  What kind of hippie ass religious nonsense is that article even about.

The ignorance of people is fucking mind boggling sometimes.  I weep for this world and its population of sheep.
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Reply #57 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:26pm
 
The_Fat_Man wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
b0b wrote on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:27pm:
So true.  When I got to that line, I really had to stop and think for a minute.  It's incredibly mind-boggling how even our most advanced economic practices and theories all come right back to what God has given us.

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Oh please, money comes from the Sun?  What kind of hippie ass religious nonsense is that article even about.

The ignorance of people is fucking mind boggling sometimes.  I weep for this world and its population of sheep.



Somebody put their angry pants on this morning.  Why don't you tell us how you really feel?


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Reply #58 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 2:21pm
 
Religious nonsense always puts my angry pants on.
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Reply #59 - Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:40pm
 
Someone didn't read the article..  Roll Eyes

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