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Reply #45 - May 31
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060531/ap_on_sc/hot_arctic
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WASHINGTON - Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hotspot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic.
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First-of-its-kind core samples dug up from deep beneath the Arctic Ocean floor show that 55 million years ago an area near the North Pole was practically a subtropical paradise, three new studies show.
Maybe they should have read a Bible first. I could have told them that. 55 million years ago eh? Is that because that would be the correct time in your little evolutionary theory where there could be tropics down there? Man, get a real job, scientists.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060603/sc_space/electricfishonvergeofevolutionar...
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Electric fish emit weak signals from an organ in their tails that serves as a battery. Different emissions signal aggression, fear or courtship.
While the fish can apparently understand each others' warning signals, "They seem to only choose to mate with other fish having the same signature waveform as their own," explains neurobiologist Matt Arnegard of Cornell University.
But in the Ivindo River in Gabon, Arnegard and colleagues have found fish with the same DNA emitting distinctly different signals. The fish are likely on the verge of splitting into two species, the researchers announced today.
"We think we are seeing evolution in action," Arnegard said.
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Reply #47 - Jun 12
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Look! Dirt...as old as the earth!
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Fossil mounds may be oldest life on Earth
Wednesday, June 7, 2006; Posted: 1:09 p.m. EDT (17:09 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Odd-shaped mounds of dirt in Australia turn out to be fossils of the oldest life on Earth, created by billions of microbes more than 3 billion years ago, scientists say in a new report.
And these mounds are exactly the type of life astrobiologists are looking for on Mars and elsewhere.
A study published Thursday in the journal Nature gives the strongest evidence yet that the mounds dotting a large swath of western Australia are Earth's oldest fossils. The theory is that these are not merely dirt piles that formed randomly into odd shapes, but that ancient microbes burrowed in and built them.
Nope! I think these dirt piles were not put here by some pie-in-the-sky "microbes" but over millions of years these dirt piles formed upwards and as the dirt become more and more complex it became bigger and stronger thus it could protect itself more from the predetors such as the platapus and the sloth!
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"This is the pointy end of the fossil record; this is the first really compelling record," said study lead author Abigail Allwood, a researcher at the Australian Center for Astrobiology. "It's an ancestor of life. If you think that all life arose on this one planet, perhaps this is where it started."
Hmm dirt was the start of us all? It couldn't be that dirt is probably the only thing that could survive the layers and layers of strata on top of it? Also I remember someone saying we were formed out of the dirt before: Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. But nah...let's believe microbes...with all their ability to form bigger and better and more complex beings....because after all they have this genetic information in their single-celled bodies!
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The mounds come in different shapes -- like egg cartons, swirls of frosting on cupcakes or waves on the ocean. They are called stromatolites and have been studied for a long time, but the big question has been if they were once teeming with life.
Allwood's research, which included examining thousands of the mounds and grouping them into seven subtypes, is the most comprehensive and compelling yet to say the answer is yes, according to a top expert not on her team.
*In monotone* How facinaiting...they studied dirt...and then classified it!
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"It is the best bet for the best evidence of the oldest life on Earth," said Bruce Runnegar, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute in Moffett Field, California "These are too complicated to be attributed to non-biological processes -- but we don't know that for a fact."
Dirt = Life? If this is the best evidence...can I see your worst? I love the second part of the sentence. Since when did we start looking at things and saying they're too complicated for them not to be designed, in this case by organism? I thought evolution caused everything to be?
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Allwood said her study made the case for life solidly by looking at how the stromatolites fit with the rock formations around them, with each other, and what would have been happening on Earth at that time. One of the clinchers was putting them in seven repeating subtypes, which indicates they weren't random.
Not random? But with order? Amazing! Is this lady a Creationist? And come on!! This stuff is just made up! Oh yes we looked at the dirt and saw that it repeated in its different types! Therefore...tiny organism made it! They may have come from Mars! Or they evolved tiny jet packs on their backs and flew to Mars to set up porn shops and Indian casinos there!
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"It's just the sheer abundance of material and to be able to put it all in context," Allwood said.
Runnegar who has examined the mounds in western Australian several times said the first time he saw them -- some of which jut out from hills at eye-level -- he experienced an otherworldly feeling.
Wait...he saw dirt mounds? And he had an otherworldly feeling? I think that's the definition of WORLDLY. Dirt = world! How can this person have a "religious experience" when seeing what they believe tiny organisms made...but they can't see the beauty and order in that tiny organism?
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In a similar situation 10 years ago, scientists at NASA claimed they found evidence of fossilized microbial life in a Martian meteorite. Those claims have been sharply disputed.
One of the chief skeptics of the Martian meteorite claims, Ralph Harvey, a geology professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, said he is far more inclined to believe that the Australian mounds were once alive.
The key difference is that on Mars, scientists were looking for evidence of life on "a potentially dead planet" and the requirement for proof is extraordinary, Harvey said. Less evidence, he said is needed for Allwood's claims because "we already know that life has been on Earth for a very, very long time; all we're trying to do is push it further back."
How do we know this? I thought human life has only been around for like 6 million years? Isn't the earth like 10 billion years old? That's only like 6% of the time. That's not very, very long. However if this is a Creationist we've been here for about 6,000 years and we only haven't been here out of that allotted time, 5 days. He He. These people talk crazy talk. They look for intelligence on other planets. I'm still not convinced of any on this one!
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Reply #48 - Jun 14
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http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm
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"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?
Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."
But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?
No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.
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Reply #49 - Jun 14
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You mean scientists can have agendas that make them conclude or support theories that have false or little evidence to support a theory? Hmm I wonder where I'm going with this?!
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Reply #50 - Jun 14
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I don't know, Stewie, why don't you tell us?
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Reply #51 - Jun 14
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Hey Ironman...message me sometime. I have that "Missing Links" article for the website!
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The first pictures showing a live specimen of a rodent species once thought to have been extinct for 11 million years have been taken by a retired Florida State University professor and a Thai wildlife biologist.
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They took video and still photographs of the "living fossil," which looks like a small squirrel or tree shrew, in May during an expedition to central Laos near the Thai border.
Known as Diatomyidae, scientists have nicknamed it the Laotian rock rat. The creature is not really a rat but a member of a rodent family once known only from fossils.
The pictures show a docile, squirrel-sized animal with dark dense fur and a long tail but not as bushy as a squirrel's. It also shows that the creature waddles like a duck with its hind feet splayed out at an angle — ideal for climbing rocks.
"I hope these pictures will help in some way to prevent the loss of this marvelous animal," said David Redfield, a science education professor emeritus.
He and Uthai Treesucon, a bird-watching colleague, befriended hunters who captured a live rock rat after four failed attempts. They returned the animal, which the locals call kha-nyou, to its rocky home after photographing it.
The long-whiskered rodent was branded as a new species last year when biologists first examined dead specimens they found being sold at meat markets. But they had never seen a live animal until Redfield and Treesucon photographed it.
"These images are extremely important scientifically, showing as they do an animal (with) such markedly distinctive anatomical and functional attributes," said Mary Dawson, curator emeritus of vertebrate paleontology at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh.
Dawson and colleagues in France and China first reported the rock rat's true identity in the March 10 edition of the journal Science after they compared the bones of present-day specimens with fossils found in Asia.
Well Well Well...it looks like something we "knew was truth" turned out to not be!
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Reply #53 - Jun 21
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/15/ancient.birds.ap/index.html
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The first detailed look at the ancestor of modern birds -- a grebe-like waterbird that would look normal even today -- was shown off Thursday by scientists who discovered fossil remains in a remote lake bed in China.
Wait...what? We know it's a missing link because it looks like a bird that's around today? BRILLIANT!!! Look at this redneck, he's a missing link from modern man too! Hmmm...maybe a bad example.
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"A world lost for more than 100 million years was being revealed to us," as layers of mud were peeled back like the pages of a book, said Hai-lu You of the Chinese Academy of Geological Sciences.
Ha ha...yes because each layer of dirt mysteriously fell down upon the other after each year. Ya know...cause even though a global flood can do the same thing doesn't matter.
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What they found is being called the missing link on the evolution of birds, a creature that lived in northwest China and is the earliest example of modern birds that populate the planet today.
Again...how is this a "missing link" if it's exactly like a bird today? Doesn't this just make it...a dead bird? If you read the whole article they don't tell you what's different about it. Now if this bird had part fins and part wings...then I'd say...wow looks like a missing link to me. However...all I see is a dead bird...my dog use to bury those too.
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Before the scientists' discovery, reported in Friday's issue of the journal Science, the only evidence for this creature -- Gansus yumenensis -- was a single, partial leg discovered in the 1980s.
This is a great example of evolutionists lying to us. We knew this existed because of a single, partial leg. This reminds me of all those other "missing links" with modern man (see my blog for the article). This isn't science...this is dogma.
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"Most of the ancestors of birds from the age of dinosaurs are members of groups that died out and left no modern descendants. But Gansus led to modern birds, so it's a link between primitive birds and those we see today," Lamanna said.
But wait...I thought dinosaurs evolved into birds? How can birds and dinos live together? Also how do we know that "primitive birds" didn't leave descendants? And if evolution is true...we don't really know that do we. I could be a decendent...oh no wait...the earthworms gave birth to me. Good ol punctured equilibrium!
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Previously there was a gap between ancient and modern species of birds, and "Gansus fits perfectly into this gap," added Jerald D. Harris of Dixie State College in Utah.
Again...how? What's the proof this is a "transitional fossil"? They offer no proof that it is different! Also, I have another problem. We have acient birds....and modern birds. THEY ARE ALL BIRDS!!! If anything this is proof of micro-evolution...which is just another name for change in species. If we find one of these alive, and we've found "extinct living fossils" alive before, I'm sure it could reproduce with other birds today. Evolutionists would say, "No they wouldn't." I would ask...how do you know. You are just guessing. And guessing is not science...it's not even dogma. It's like a 900# Ms. Cleo!
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It was about the size of a modern pigeon, but similar to loons or diving ducks, the researchers said. One of the fossils even has skin preserved between the toes, showing that it had webbed feet.
Well well well. After 100 million years we have skin preserved between the toes?! Kinda like how dinosaur blood is preserved for 500 million years or so! This is complete bull people! Also...no difference is pointed out here either!
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"Gansus is the oldest example of the nearly modern birds that branched off of the trunk of the family tree that began with the famous proto-bird Archaeopteryx," said Peter Dodson of the University of Pennsylvania.
Even though Archaeopteryx has been shown to be complete faud. Chinese people are making a killing my finding fossils and glueing feathers on them! *Carlos Mencia's* durrrt durr durrr!!!
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The remains were dated to about 110 million years ago, making them the oldest for the group Ornithurae, which includes all modern birds and their closest extinct relatives. Previously, the oldest known fossils from this group were from about 99 million years ago.
But if they're using carbon "dating" it's probably +/- 50 million years. Using carbon dating you can only go back as far as 50,000 years and that's just the start of carbon's problems!
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The fact that Gansus was aquatic indicates that modern birds may have evolved from animals that originated in aquatic environments, the researchers said.
HA HA HA HA!!! Fish grew wings and then lungs and started flying around!!! HA HA HA!!! We are suppose to swallow this???! Ya know Loons also float in the water...according to their theory...they are modern birds' ancestors too!! Oh wait...they're alive today. They are also turning into a boat!
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"Our new specimens are extremely well preserved, with some even including feathers," Lamanna said. "Because these fossils are in such good condition, they've enabled us to reconstruct the appearance and relationships of Gansus with a high degree of precision. They provide new and important insight into the evolutionary transformation of carnivorous dinosaurs into the birds we know today."
Look at this! They have no proof that dinos evolved into birds. Throughout this article they have changed their theories. First these birds lived WITH dinosaurs. Then they evolved from the water. Now they're evolving from dinosaurs!!! These people dupe themselves all they want. I'm sick that they're being taken seriously.
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The new fossil material "is remarkable for its excellent preservation. ... The new fossils demonstrate that Gansus clearly is a bird that spent much of its life looking for food in water," said Hans-Dieter Sues, associate director for research and collections at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.
That's amazing so do seagulls! How is this good science? Who needed to go to China for this crap? Try New Jersey or NYC.
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Reply #54 - Jun 27
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FBCFE1B1-1994-4EDE-95CF-AAD664F9CCA2.htm
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Spanish parliament is to ask the government to approve the Great Ape Project, which would mean recognising that our closest genetic relatives should be part of a "community of equals" with humans, supporters of the resolution said.
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So does that mean people can start having sex with them? If we classify them as being equal, I'm afraid what kind of people (the PETA hippies from South Park for example) will love this ruling.
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Reply #56 - Jun 28
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I bet reporters interview church leaders just becuase they know they are going to make themselves look like idiots.
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Church leaders are good at that.
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http://www.epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257909
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The June 27, 2006 Associated Press (AP) article titled “Scientists OK Gore’s Movie for Accuracy” by Seth Borenstein raises some serious questions about AP’s bias and methodology.
AP chose to ignore the scores of scientists who have harshly criticized the science presented in former Vice President Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”
In the interest of full disclosure, the AP should release the names of the “more than 100 top climate researchers” they attempted to contact to review “An Inconvenient Truth.” AP should also name all 19 scientists who gave Gore “five stars for accuracy.” AP claims 19 scientists viewed Gore’s movie, but it only quotes five of them in its article. AP should also release the names of the so-called scientific “skeptics” they claim to have contacted.
The AP article quotes Robert Correll, the chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment group. It appears from the article that Correll has a personal relationship with Gore, having viewed the film at a private screening at the invitation of the former Vice President. In addition, Correll’s reported links as an “affiliate” of a Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm that provides “expert testimony” in trials and his reported sponsorship by the left-leaning Packard Foundation, were not disclosed by AP. See
http://www.junkscience.com/feb06.htm
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Politicians shouldn't be making movies. Period.
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