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Mar 3^rd, 2006 at 2:29am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060302/sc_nm/science_blush_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Primates may have evolved color vision not to find the ripest, tastiest fruit but to detect that tell-tale blush on someone else's rump, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday.

The cone structures in the eye that help detect color seem exquisitely tuned to skin tones, the team at the California Institute of Technology reports.

"For a hundred years, we've thought that color vision was for finding the right fruit to eat when it was ripe," Mark Changizi, a theoretical neurobiologist and postdoctoral researcher at Caltech who led the study, said in a statement.

"But if you look at the variety of diets of all the primates having trichromat (three-color) vision, the evidence is not overwhelming."

1.) Who the crap is paying these "researchers"?

2.) How come it is presented as fact when all they are doing is guessing?

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"For a hundred years, we've thought that color vision was for finding the right fruit to eat when it was ripe,"

3.) Where is your evidence?

Here is some more:

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And the three-cone system can help a primate tell not only if a potential partner is having a rush of emotion in anticipation of mating, but also if an enemy's blood has drained out of his face due to fear.

"Also, ecologically, when you're more oxygenated, you're in better shape," Changizi said. That may be why humans value rosy cheeks, he said.

The clincher -- Changizi said old-world primates that have the three-cone vision are also all bare-faced and bare-butted.

"There's no sense in being able to see the slight color variations in skin if you can't see the skin," Changizi said.

"This could connect up with why we're the 'naked ape,"' he added.

This could connect up with why we're the 'naked ape'

Roffle.

I cannot believe some of these people. They are honestly more creative than any artist or writer or anyone else for that matter. They way they can just make these random assumptions and pass them off as legitament study and research blows my mind.

I've had it with them. More flipping faith than any religious person I know. If only my Christianity was as strong as their belief in evolution.

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Reply #1 - Mar 3^rd, 2006 at 11:18am

Very good Briney...loved it.

1.) Who the crap is paying these "researchers"?

Why it's the US government and organizations designed (oops I mean evolved) to study evolution. They get huge grants from these two sorces to make the data fit to their theory. Not, like a good scientist, make a theory based on the data.

2.) How come it is presented as fact when all they are doing is guessing?

Why because they have the letters, Ph. D. and M.D., after their names. Not to mention how many people do you think actually question scientists. The mentallity is..."We're scientists...your not!" "We're too smart and you're too dumb to know how...just why or what."

3.) Where is your evidence?

Why...in your imagination of course. In your imagination you can go anywhere and do anything! Why by just clapping your hands and saying "I DO BELIEVE IN FARIES!" Tickerbell will survive! (either that or Richard Simons pops out from underneath your bedsheets *shiver*.

"I cannot believe some of these people. They are honestly more creative than any artist or writer or anyone else for that matter. They way they can just make these random assumptions and pass them off as legitament study and research blows my mind.

Just like the guy who "discoverd" Lucy. He had 3 weeks left on his huge grant and in order to renew it he has to find something! "Well I'll just pass off this tree climbing monkey as an ancestor to modern man!" Boom! New grant and now everyone refers to Lucy as a deffinate missing link!

"I've had it with them. More flipping faith than any religious person I know. If only my Christianity was as strong as their belief in evolution."

Briney, what you've said here is absolutely beautiful. I'm serious. You've hit the nail on the head. You see we as Christians can step outside the box and see differently because we have God's protection and belief in His ultimate power and promises.

The evolutionist has to hold together his fragile world of lies and misreporting in order for him/her not to recognize the possibility for a God Creator. I truely do believe that evolution is maintained, not for the scientific value, but because we want science to be the god of this world. Science and its methods are unflawed and always leads to truth. In truth, actually, if you study the philosophy of science you find that science has its limits and there's just so much stuff out there we can't explain with science. For example: "What is time? Is it real? Is it really a dimention like the other three we have? If so, why cannot we travel through time like we travel through length, width, and height?

I really wish people would look at the hard facts independently of an evolution, or a creation, standpoint and see what proof does the evidence show? Gills in the early stages of life? Oops...a German scientist faked them, toured Germany teaching it, got found out, was thrown out of the university, and made the way, possibliy, for Hilter's view that Jews were not humans. I could go on and on in listing these flaws. I'm not a scientist, that is I have no letters after my name, but I can look at facts like a dectective, which I can do that since I'm going into that field. And I find that science has tried to put all their proof on the Titanic....which is placed on row boat filled with whole like swiss cheese. It's only a matter of time, I hope, when people will start to refute, question, and then abandon this silly belief. My fear...it'll happen in the End Of Days.

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Reply #2 - Mar 3^rd, 2006 at 9:44pm

They are only deluding themselves! For this, I've kept a couple quotes I think are pretty good at describing the overall picture of the evolution sham.

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Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood... So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority, and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority---that's why they're so vicious towards critics."

I like how it says evolution is a mystery even to those who support it...kinda like a biologist (who might have doubts) saying, Oh evolution must be true becuase a geologist dates the rocks at 500 million years old, vice versa, and so on.

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We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence of material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." - Evolutionary biologist Richard Lewontin

Even if a scientist does doubt evolution and instead believes in some supernatural creation, he would have a hard time getting past the evolutionary paradigm. Would TIME magazine or Scientific American publish an article supporting the existance of God? Heh, if they did, it would probably start riots.

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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22

Seems like this is happening alot, hehe.

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Re: Science Schmience Thread
Reply #3 - Mar 7^th, 2006 at 12:14pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3791...

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An extraordinary family who walk on all fours are being hailed as the breakthrough discovery which could shed light on the moment Man first stood upright.

Scientists believe that the five brothers and sisters found in Turkey could hold unique insights into human evolution.

...sigh

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Reply #4 - Mar 9^th, 2006 at 11:11pm

I'm currently in a philosophy of science class and the prof announced today that there will be a well known speaker/professor(Michael Ruse) coming to Western to address evolutionary theories and creationism. Its going to be at the Fetzer Center on WMU campus March 16th at 7pm if anyone is interested in attending that with me, contact me or reply here about it.

I'm not quite sure what the guy's stance is on the issue yet....

Michael Ruse, Ph.D.
Lucyle T. Werkmeister Professor of Philosophy
Director of the Program in the History and Philosophy of Science
Florida State University
The Evolution- Creation Struggle: A Very American Story
Thursday, March 16th, 7:00pm
Fetzer Center, Large Auditorium

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Reply #5 - Mar 10^th, 2006 at 12:56am

A google search showed that Michael Ruse will be taking the side of evolution. I skimmed an interview he had and he made alot of broad assertions about creationism and actual science. He claimed that creationism is purely religous and not science, which is completly untrue. If science is the study of causality, than creationistic science would deal with the observations within the causality of God's initial creation and the laws of nature he made. On the other hand, there is no reason to logically claim the big bang (which has no apparent cause) is part of science.

Nice find, but from what I looked up, it doesn't seem like his stance is anything new. Cry

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Reply #9 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 3:49pm

http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p/index.html

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But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka, the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

...Pianka hammered his point home by exclaiming, “We're no better than bacteria!”...

...Pianka then displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls, one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets.

AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world's population is airborne Ebola ( Ebola Reston ), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. However, Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.

After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, “We've got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that.” ....

“And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.” So the oil crisis alone may require eliminating two-third's of the world's population.

...You first pal. Lead by example.

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Reply #10 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 8:18pm

I don't like science, simply because alot of the attitude I've faced from people in that field (granted, I have also met some very awesome and kind scientists). There always seems to be that "I have to prove you wrong" attitude. But, if you ask them certain questions they simply don't know.

Maybe I'm just incompetent when it comes to the realms of science, but I know its not my favorite, especially when people are out to disprove everyone elses faiths.

If any of you are wondering, yes, I have changed alot since going to college.

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Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2006 at 2:12am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_sc/caves_mass_extinction

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John Roth shined his flashlight on a black streak flowing through the cream-colored marble forming the walls of the Oregon Caves.

The graphite line is graphic evidence of dramatic global warming that consumed so much oxygen that it nearly wiped out all life on the planet 247 million years ago, said the natural resources specialist for the Oregon Caves National Monument.

I can't take it anymore. Thats not science. Thats assumption, pure and simple.

Eric, Patrick, and I are starting a website that denounces evolution, so if anyone is interested in contributing, let me know. Eric will be the lead in organizing and writing articles for those just discovering the site. Patrick will be writing on more in depth and scientific subjects, and I'll contribute here and there, but will be mostly doing pictures and the layout of the site.

Anyone want in?

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7464 Battle Creek, Michigan Gender:	Re: Science Schmience Thread Reply #12 - Apr 5^th, 2006 at 8:27am MediaMaster wrote on Apr 5^th, 2006 at 2:12am: Anyone want in? Heck yeah! I want to be in charge of writing the baseless conjecture, scientific gossip, random hearsay, and other "science news." You've got to fight fire with fire, don't you? LOL M I RITE? -b0b (...is kidding!)
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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7464 Battle Creek, Michigan Gender:	Re: Science Schmience Thread Reply #14 - Apr 5^th, 2006 at 2:55pm You get to be the fruity guy with the power of love. -b0b (...shudders.)
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