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Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq
Reply #15 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:59pm

MediaMaster wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:39pm:

Little too much hate in this thread for my liking. I have several Muslim friends who are awesome. Like I said before the majority of that faith are peaceful, its the pricks who go out bombing stuff that give it a bad name. Not exactly a good thing, when you go lumping together everyone from a particular place in the world or from a particular religion.

Until a short time ago, I thought the same thing. Then, after studying the religion and looking at it as a whole, I came to a very different conclusion.

After looking at Mohammed's life and learning a thing or two about his so-called "ministry," I've come to believe that anyone that claims to follow him is one of two things:

1) Freakin' Evil
2) A Pathological Liar

Let's take a look at the Quran and see exactly what kind of things their religion propogates...

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"Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land" The Table #32

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate"
Sovereignity (66) #9

"Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.' For the Messiah himself said: 'Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord.' He that worships other deities besides God, God will deny him Paradise, and the Fire shall be his home. None shall help the evil-doers. Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." The Table #71

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take a ransom from them, until War has laid down her burdens."
Muhammad (47) #4

"When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Repentance (9) #5.

"Fight against those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and his apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." Repentance (9) #28

"Therefore do not falter or sue [or call] for peace when you have gained the upper hand" Mohammad (47) #34

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme" The Spoils 8:~40

"God revealed his will to the angels, saying: 'I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!'

"This is because they defied God and His apostle. He that defies God and His apostle shall be sternly punished by God." The Spoils 6 8:12-

Does that sound like the "Religion of Peace" to you, Briney? I can sympathize with the fact that you've got Muslim friends, but if they claim to hold to the ideals quoted above (assuming they're not radically out of context), they're responsible.

I accept responsibility for the Bible. If it's wrong, I'm wrong. If someone takes issue with the Bible and its precepts and teachings, they take issue with me because I try to mold my life around that very book.

Likewise, if your friends claim to do the same for the Quran, please ask them to logically defend these (and other) passages that clearly paint Islam as being anything but a "religion of peace."

Yanno, if some crazy sect of Christianity started bombing mosques or synagogues, there would be an immediate and universal outcry from the rest of Christiandom. Where is the outcry from the Muslim community over this? Why are they so silent?

The differences between old-school Islam (i.e. the Middle East varieties) and the modern world will never be reconciled. Attempting to find a common ground is fruitless.

-b0b
(...isn't trying to hate on anyone.)

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MediaMaster GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline Holy Xenu! Posts: 1884 Detroit Gender:	Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 10:40pm I've got a good response to this post but have somethin due tomm mornin. So consider this my placeholder.
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Ironman GeekCrew Luser Offline Posts: 116 Gender:	Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 11:52pm America isn’t doing much better.
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MediaMaster GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline Holy Xenu! Posts: 1884 Detroit Gender:	Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq Reply #18 - Feb 24^th, 2006 at 2:26am Well there ya have it. Ironman pretty much summed it up lol.
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Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq
Reply #19 - Feb 24^th, 2006 at 8:38am

Ironman wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 11:52pm:

America isn’t doing much better.

Exactly!

America is dropping the ball, and the rest of the world is holding our feet to the fire over it. There are parts of the world that you and I can't visit simply because of our nationality. America has done some great injustices, and we - as Americans - are held responsible for them.

What I don't get is why that same concept is somehow taboo when applied to the "Religion of Peace." When significant numbers of Muslims start blowing stuff up in the name of their deity, why can't we hold them universally accountable? Obviously, something is seriously wrong with Islam.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for individual accountability. However, I think we need to take the blinders off and start realizing that Islam is a dangerous religion. Does it have to be? No! Catholicism was a dangerous religion for centuries, but they're mostly harmless at this point. When's the last time you heard about the Catholics (literally) killing off the competition? Mind you, this newer, happier brand of Catholicism isn't necessarily right, but at least the depths of their wrongness isn't leading to the deaths of the so-called "infidels."

What is it that makes religion somehow sacrosanct over nationality? Why is it acceptable to hold people responsible for the wrongs of their (presumably democratic) nation, but not for the wrongs of their religion?

If I make a post that says "HAHA FRANCE SUXORS!!!111" it's considered humor, but if I were to make a post that says "HAHA ISLAM IS TEH SUXOR!!!111" it's considered bigotry. Why?

If my church screws up, I have an expectation that I'll be held personally responsible for it! In fact, I even expect to take flack for what other evangelical Christians mess up. Pat Robertson? I can't stand the guy, and I hope he retires very soon. However, everytime he makes some idiotic comment about "9/11 was caused by homosexuality," I prepare myself to respond to the criticism that I know it'll generate. In short, I'm guilty by association.

Muslims of the Middle East need to grow the heck up.

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Re: Muslim Shrine Destroyed in Iraq
Reply #20 - Feb 24^th, 2006 at 1:33pm

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Attacks turn sects from compromise
By Steve Negus, Iraq Correspondent
Published: February 23 2006 23:18 | Last updated: February 23 2006 23:18

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s leading cleric, on Thursday made it clear that the Shia community must be free to defend itself, after having earlier called for calm after Wednesday’s bomb attack on the Golden Mosque in Samarra. If necessary that would mean using militias rather than counting on government security forces or US troops.

“If the security agencies are unable to guarantee the necessary security, then the believers are able to do so with God’s help,” he said in a statement issued amid a wave of retaliatory attacks on Sunni mosques.

His comment, along with other statements from Shia officials in government, could be seen by Shia and Sunni as an acceptance of sectarian divides at the expense of efforts to build non-sectarian security forces and national institutions – in effect recognising that civil war could be imminent.

Adel Abdel Mahdi, Iraq’s vice-president and a key figure in the Shia-led religious bloc, said the government “should give a bigger role to the people” in security.

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This is a bad development. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani is the only person able to keep the Shiites in check, and has always been very moderate. It looks like this may be "game on" for a civil war. If that's the case, our troops need to pull back and let them go at it. There's no sense in having a bunch of unnecessary deaths by getting in between this.

Is it really that hard for a country to not be a craphole? The Kurds are making huge strides at building a prosperous modern country, and the south is making reasonable progress too. What is the problem with the rest of the freakin' country? Do they want to live like that, or what?

Given the history of the region, civil war is only a matter of time. I hope Bush has the good sense to stand back and let nature take it's course. Any other approach will only delay the inevitable. Having a "democratic" Iraq that is unstable is probably worse than a stable but totalitarian Iraq under Saddam's rule. Look at Lebanon. Iraq could become the middle eastern version of Somalia. One big killing fest breeding nothing but more crazies.

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