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Reply #480 - Jan 4
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Reply #481 - Jan 5
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Statement may allow gov't to open mail
RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
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Friday, January 5, 2007
A signing statement attached to postal legislation by President Bush last month may have opened the way for the government to open mail without a warrant. The White House denies any change in policy.
The law requires government agents to get warrants to open first-class letters. But when he signed the postal reform act, Bush added a statement saying that his administration would construe that provision "in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances."
"The signing statement raises serious questions whether he is authorizing opening of mail contrary to the Constitution and to laws enacted by Congress," said Ann Beeson, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. "What is the purpose of the signing statement if it isn't that?"
Beeson said the group is planning to file a request for information on how this exception will be used and to ask whether it has already been used to open mail.
White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said there was nothing new in the signing statement.
In his daily briefing Snow said: "All this is saying is that there are provisions at law for — in exigent circumstances — for such inspections. It has been thus. This is not a change in law, this is not new."
Postal Vice President Tom Day added: "As has been the long-standing practice, first-class mail is protected from unreasonable search and seizure when in postal custody. Nothing in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act changes this protection. The president is not exerting any new authority."
Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine, who guided the measure through the Senate, called on Bush to clarify his intent.
The bill, Collins said, "does nothing to alter the protections of privacy and civil liberties provided by the Constitution and other federal laws."
"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and our federal criminal rules require prior judicial approval before domestic sealed mail can be searched," she said.
Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., criticized Bush's action.
"Every American wants foolproof protection against terrorism. But history has shown it can and should be done within the confines of the Constitution. This last-minute, irregular and unauthorized reinterpretation of a duly passed law is the exact type of maneuver that voters so resoundingly rejected in November," Schumer said.
The ACLU's Beeson noted that there has been an exception allowing postal inspectors to open items they believe might contain a bomb.
"His signing statement uses language that's broader than that exception," she said, and noted that Bush used the phrase "exigent circumstances."
"The question is what does that mean and why has he suddenly put this in writing if this isn't a change in policy," she said.
In addition to suspecting a bomb or getting a warrant, postal officials are allowed by law to open letters that can't be delivered as addressed — but only to determine if they can find a correct address or a return address.
Bush has issued at least 750 signing statements during his presidency, more than all other presidents combined, according to the American Bar Association.
Typically, presidents have used signing statements for such purposes as instructing executive agencies how to carry out new laws.
Bush's statements often reserve the right to revise, interpret or disregard laws on national security and constitutional grounds.
"That non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement," ABA President Michael Greco has said. The practice, he has added, "is harming the separation of powers."
The president's action was first reported by the New York Daily News.
The full signing statement said:
"The executive branch shall construe subsection 404(c) of title 39, as enacted by subsection 1010(e) of the act, which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection, in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.
Ahh signing statements...it's what the Constitution meant when they set up the President as emperor...right?
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Reply #482 - Jan 6
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The War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200701/010407b.html
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Signaling a renewed emphasis on combating corruption at home and abroad, incoming Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), introduced a package of bills Thursday targeting corrupt officials and private companies seeking to defraud American taxpayers and troops.
“Americans want the culture of corruption to end. From war profiteers and corrupt officials in Iraq, to convicted Administration officials, to influence-peddling lobbyists and, regrettably, even members of Congress, too many supposed public servants have been serving their own interests, rather than the public interest,” said Leahy.
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Reply #483 - Jan 6
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Although a signing statement takes care of that problem (eg the LAW) as well.
The power of the SIGNING STATEMENT!
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Reply #484 - Jan 6
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All hail the power of the signing statement! Huzzah!
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(...wonders if there is such a thing as a non-influence-peddling lobbyist?)
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Reply #486 - Jan 6
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Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons, the SUNDAY TIMES of London is planning to report, British media sources tell DRUDGE... MORE...
Ha! knew if the US was going to do nothing, Israel was. The standard "who knows if this is true" applies, but hey, you cant just report this without an inkling of fact. Lets hope these supposed plans never become reality
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but hey, you cant just report this without an inkling of fact.
Obviously you've never heard of yellow journalism?!
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City Hall pushed to buy $1.5m system to track gunshots
By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | January 6, 2007
Boston city councilors, law enforcement officials, and community leaders are pressing City Hall to come up with $1.5 million to buy a promising acoustic gunshot-detection system.
The sensor system could blanket a 5.6-square-mile swath of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods -- the source of 80 to 85 percent of calls citywide reporting shots fired -- and give officers a jump on arresting suspects, improve police response time to 911 calls, and possibly reduce firearm violence, proponents say.
Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said he believes the technology would help prosecutors win more gun cases and would require a "relatively modest investment," given the city's $2 billion annual budget.
"Police would be able to get the scene quickly and perhaps apprehend someone fleeing the scene, or identify someone who actually saw something," Conley said in an interview yesterday. "It would also corroborate witness testimony."
City Councilor Robert Consalvo , who first proposed that Boston look into the ShotSpotter technology last February, said Mayor Thomas M. Menino's budget director, Lisa Signori, is trying to find $1.5 million in the current or next fiscal year's budget to install the system and maintain it for four years.
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Dorothy Joyce, a spokeswoman for Menino, said the mayor is "interested in any type of technology that can let police officers do their jobs safely and more effectively." Joyce said Menino asked Signori to review whether the city could afford the system, and has asked new Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis for his advice.
The City Council's new president, Maureen E. Feeney, said she supports buying the system, and said Davis and Menino told her they are interested as well. "It's just now trying to figure out how we get to the point of purchasing this," she said.
Davis said he plans to make his recommendation to Menino within a month, after department officials study how the system is working in Chicago. "Any time we can use technology to reduce response times, or get us more focused on where crime is occurring, I think it's a tremendous benefit," the commissioner said in an interview yesterday.
Still, Davis said, he wants to carefully study whether the system is the best way to use the city's limited public safety resources. "Ultimately, you have to look at whether you're going to reduce shootings better with a police officer there or a piece of technology," he said.
Consalvo arranged for police commanders to test the system in August at the department firing range on Moon Island . Commanders decided the technology could be of great help by telling officers the exact location of a shooting within a few seconds, said Police Superintendent Robert Dunford, who supervises the department's patrol officers.
The system relies on a network of sensors, roughly the size of a coffee can, that by triangulating can locate gunfire from as far as 1 1/2 miles away within seconds, according to its manufacturer, ShotSpotter Inc., based in Santa Clara, Calif. It is so sensitive and sophisticated that it can isolate gunshots from other sounds, and can even distinguish between shots fired from different kinds of weapons, the company says.
Once the sensors confirm a gunshot, the system immediately notifies police dispatchers, who can then alert nearby officers.
Reports of gunshots, because of the way sound travels, can be wildly inaccurate as to their source, law enforcement officials say. Sometimes, they aren't anywhere near where callers say, or they aren't gunshots at all.
Boston finished last year with 74 homicides, 54 from gunshot wounds. The figure for 2005 was 75 slayings, a 10-year high, 51 of them with a firearm. The total number of shootings, however, increased last year over 2005 by more than 10 percent, to 377.
Police could not say yesterday how many of the shooting cases were solved, but said that of 610 cases involving shootings or brandishing a gun last year, 23 percent resulted in the arrest or identification of a suspect.
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Police would not say yesterday exactly where they would deploy the system, but based on the department's crime statistics, it is considered likely to cover parts of Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury, and the South End.
Davida Andelman , who lives on Clarkson Street in Dorchester, just yards away from where 14-year-old Jason Fernandes was shot to death on New Year's Day, said she hopes the city finds money to pay for the technology soon.
"It's a little disconcerting at quarter of six on New Year's Day morning to hear six gunshots," said Andelman, chairwoman of the Greater Bowdoin-Geneva Neighborhood Association. "This is happening far too often in our neighborhood."
Similar gunshot-detection systems are already being used by police in a number of US cities in addition to Chicago, including Minneapolis; Washington, D.C.; Los Angeles; Oakland, Calif.; Gary, Ind.; Charleston, S.C.; and Rochester, N.Y.
In an October incident in Washington, the technology led police to a suspect minutes after a man was gunned down while mowing a lawn.
And just hours after being activated in Minneapolis late last month, the system caught a suspect in a shooting that hadn't been reported to police. Minneapolis Police Lieutenant Gregory Reinhardt said the city's mayor has emphasized investments in police technology, a choice that he said is paying off.
"We've had four significant events captured," he said. "An officer-involved shooting, a homicide, an arrest of a convicted felon with a gun, and the recovery of another gun. That's in a 2-square mile area within 10, 12 days of each other."
I call BS on this system. This will clearly be a snooping system. Because gun shots are NOT like what they sound like in movies where a 9mm sounds like a Howitzer. Most gun shots, considering the area, sounds just like a pop. That would mean this spy system has to be tuned to listen to those sounds at such a low level. So they could make it pick up sounds as soft as people talking. Also, what about gunshots that happen in the home? Will we put transmitters is all homes? Also, who the frick is overlooking/overlistening to this system? This system along with the cameras that are going up in most major cities is just the clear statement that the govt doesn't trust you...when, in fact, they are the ones not to be trusted!
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Reply #489 - Jan 8
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/08/world/main2335451.shtml
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A U.S. Air Force gunship has conducted a strike against suspected members of al Qaeda in Somalia, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports exclusively.
The targets included the senior al Qaeda leader in East Africa and an al Qaeda operative wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings of two American embassies in Africa, Martin reports. Those terror attacks killed more than 200 people.
The AC-130 gunship is capable of firing thousands of rounds per second, and sources say a lot of bodies were seen on the ground after the strike, but there is as yet, no confirmation of the identities.
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Reply #490 - Jan 8
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What the?
Are we just going to fire indiscriminately on other countries?
Uhh look terrorists in CHINA! FIRE!!!
Briney, did Somalia work with the US on this attack?
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Reply #491 - Jan 8
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I think the Dept of Defense and Bush have a game where they blindfold each other, and throw darts at a map of the world where they are going to bomb next.
I would definitely do that if i had the powa.
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Reply #492 - Jan 8
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I'm pretty sure the US had Somalian permission to conduct that strike. Considering the nastiness that Somalia and Ethiopia just went through in the last two weeks, I'm sure this is simply an extension of that conflict.
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There will be 2 stories posted in this post...enjoy!
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Subpoena showndown looms for Duke Cunningham inquiry
A showdown is coming between the Democratic House leadership and the Justice Department on what information can be subpoenaed in a federal investigation, according to a report in today's edition of Roll Call.
At issue, as explained in the article by Susan Davis, are "privileged documents" amassed by various House Committees "that fall under the constitutional Speech or Debate Clause, which provides protection to Members of Congress." The Counsel of the House of Representatives appears to have worked to block the release of the documents, which were gathered as part of the House's own investigation of ex-Rep. Duke Cunningham, the California Republican who pleaded guilty in 2006 to accepting millions of dollars in bribes in the course of his work on the Appropriations Committee.
It's good to see that when congress wants to be tough on crime they create the PATRIOT ACT. When it comes to their own however...they want to be a steal fortress where the government can't come after...the government....huh? What's that word called again when you have people in power who abuse their power and are untouchable? OH that's right...tyrannical! Also what happen to Nancy's promise of "being the most ethical Congress ever"? Did that go down the tubes with her "we WILL impeach Bush"?
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The dispute has been complicated by the change of power in the House, as the Justice Department's efforts began under Republican leadership. New Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) said "'he was open to cooperating as long as the investigation did not "step on the constitutional prerogatives of the House,'" according to Davis.
Like what? How does the police investigate a congressman from taking bribes without looking into the political dealings of that person? Geez...makes me wonder what would happen if the guy murdered someone. All he'd have to do to stay out police hands would to just live in the capital. Uhh no I can't talk now officer...my puppet master is making me right a bill. Geez oh pete.
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Although it is a Republican ex-Congressman and his former staff caught up in the federal investigation, Obey may seek to protect the institutions and traditions of Congress, and pointed to former Speaker Dennis Hastert's protection of Democratic Rep. William Jefferson as an example.
The full text of the article can be accessed by subscribers at the Roll Call website. An excerpt is provided below.
One source off Capitol Hill said the San Diego U.S. attorney’s office had been working with the House Counsel’s office for about a year to negotiate a hand-over of committee documents. The source said the negotiations apparently had hit a wall, forcing the Justice Department to drop subpoenas last month. “The situation has stepped up significantly,” the source said.
The subpoena requests could trigger a series of legal maneuvers as the House seeks to protect what likely are a number of privileged documents that fall under the constitutional Speech or Debate Clause, which provides protection to Members of Congress.
Aides to both Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Friday that the House’s legal response was still unclear. If the House opts to fight the subpoenas in federal court, it could take months — if not longer — to resolve the issue.
The potential court battle could further postpone a broad investigation into Cunningham’s illegal activities while he served on both the Appropriations and Intelligence panels. Cunningham pleaded guilty in 2005 to accepting more than $2.4 million in bribes in exchange for favors. He currently is serving an eight-year prison sentence.
Meanwhile...the Congressman who had the $90,000 in freeze is still on an appropriations committee. Yes and why don't we let the child molesters supervise the playground and give him a dark and secluded tool shed to boot?!
BTW the Speech or Debate Clause is this
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The Speech or Debate Clause (found in Article I, Section 6, Clause 1) is a clause in the United States Constitution which states that members of both Houses of Congress
“ ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same, and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place. ”
Its intended purpose is to prevent a President or other officials of the Executive branch from having members arrested on a pretext to prevent them from voting a certain way or otherwise taking actions with which he or she might disagree.
You can see why this doesn't apply at all to the cases at hand. For one...the old member of Congress they are going after...is not going to vote anymore and therefore isn't protected under this clause at all. The Second guy, "freezer money" committed a felony, if found guilty. And that's where we love the word "except" in that little clause. I understand the point of that Clause, people could hire people to stop people they didn't want to vote. This is surely not the case here. The DOJ isn't being hired by any body to stop others from voting...it's to stop them from taking BRIBES!!!
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/dobbs_w_fulfills_dads_dream_of_nwo.htm
Go Loud Dobbs! I can't believe this is making mainstream news! I don't understand is the NWO slipping? They are letting people tell their plan! Also, if I talk about the New World Order...I'm a conspiracy nut. If these people talk about it they get Pulitzers and people believe them because they're on the talking box!
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Full Steam Ahead For "The Invasion" & The American Union
Government funded drug running cartels, secret illegal social security programs and Pesos for Pizzas. What happened to the United States of America?
Infowars.net | January 8, 2007
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Recent disturbing incidents on the US/Mexico border, coupled with mainstream news reports concerning government aiding of illegal immigration serves to once again remind US citizens that the sovereign borders are systematically being broken down and the country is being quietly amalgamated into a Pan American Union.
Last week it was reported that a U.S. Border Patrol entry Identification Team site was overrun by a team of armed Mexicans Wednesday night along Arizona's border with Mexico, somewhere along the 120 mile section of the border between Nogales and Lukeville, an area known for being a drug corridor.
The guard were forced to flee as troops are not allowed to apprehend illegal entrants and do not carry armed weapons.
And just think...Bush is the conservative President with conservative principles. That's why he sent those 6,000 troops to the boarder...and paid them to be old men on porches who sit and watch! Also what would you call a group of foreigners who come across the boarder illegally and attack members of the military? Wouldn't you call it provocations for war? If Bush is so trigger happy to go to war...then why not go after Mexico. If people start chanting Bring Back Our Troops. He can give them a vacation in Texas and California.
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"We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion?" said Rob Daniels, Border Patrol Tucson Sector spokesman. "We just don't know and that's why everything's got to be looked into."
Imagine if muslims or Arabs were caught shooting at national guard and overrunning them, we would never hear the end of it. This incident however, is the latest in a long line of stories that barely reach the footnotes of the local nightly news.
In late 2005 there were dozens of American citizens kidnapped over the Texas border and taken down to Mexico and held. This was kept very quiet. There was a huge stand off, some were killed. 800+ US citizens were killed on the Texas border in 2005, hundreds more were killed in 2006.
There are over a million illegal aliens, conservatively, in Houston alone. There have been multiple car bombings there, and in Dallas, which have quietly been attributed to illegals and forgotten about.
We have previously covered multiple instances of armed Mexican troops straying over the borders and even firing at and killing federal officers .
Last month CNS news reported that Texas sheriffs and lawmakers are routinely threatened, fired upon and overrun by US TRAINED gun-toting members of the Mexican military, crossing regularly into U.S. territory, where they are partnering with drug cartels and criminal gangs to protect sophisticated smuggling operations.
We have also exposed how illegal immigration is being used by drug commando organizations such as Los Zetas (pictured) to gain unrestricted passage into the US.
Former DEA agents have come forth declaring that such groups, admittedly trained by the US Government are being used as front groups for CIA and government controlled narcotics operations. To shut down illegal immigration and strengthen the borders would go some way to prevent such lucrative activities, therefore it's a government no-no.
The open plan to merge the US with Mexico and Canada and create a Pan American Union has long been a Globalist brainchild but its very real and prescient implementation on behalf of the Council on Foreign Relations has finally also been reported on by mainstream news outlets.
The Union is the globalist cabal's meal ticket towards raping an entire continent of its resources and sovereign capabilities. Strengthening the borders is not on the Agenda here, the American Union is all about DISSOLVING the borders.
The framework on which the American Union is being pegged is the NAFTA Super Highway, a four football-fields-wide leviathan that stretches from southern Mexico through the US up to Montreal Canada. Toll roads are to be placed upon existing roads in Security Prosperity Partnership agreements that bypasses Congress, agreements between the bureaucracies of the US and Mexican governments, to raise capital to build the Super highway that will go South of Texas and into Mexico.
Coupled with Bush's blanket amnesty program , which the Democrats in congress are set to approve this week as their first order of business, the Pan American Union is the final jigsaw piece for the total dismantling of America as we know it.
We have also seen in the past how "immigration control efforts" such as Real ID , boosting troops on the borders and building fences are simply smoke and mirrors behind which lie methods of control, outrageous elitist profiteering and the destruction of freedom.
The truth is that immigration is too profitable for the elite, both in the US and in Mexico, to put a stop to it. In late December 2005, Mexican President Vicente Fox hired a GOP lobbying firm to sweeten political sentiment in the US towards Mexicans and the immigration issue.
The Mexican government is now even giving illegals hand-held satellite navigation devices in order to facilitate their safe journey across the desert.
In light of all this it is also disturbing to read that the US government has been SECRETLY paving the way for the funneling of billions of Social Security funds to illegal Mexican immigrants. As a result of lawsuits, the U.S. government last week released the actual U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement , an understanding signed between the Bush administration and the Mexican government in 2004.
This is not the first time the Bush administration has moved to aid the benefits of Mexicans illegally working working in the US. In 2005, the New York Times reported that the Bush administration had initiated a program to start paying hospitals and doctors for providing emergency care to illegal immigrants. Members of Congress from border states had sought the money, totaling $1 Billion. They said treatment of illegal immigrants imposed a huge financial burden on many hospitals, which are required to provide emergency care to patients who need it, regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay. The administration had previously abandoned a proposal that would have required many hospitals to ask patients if they were U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
Add to this previous mainstream reports of banks and lenders opening their doors to illegal immigrants, facilitated by government agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. As reported in the Wall Street Journal , the FDIC is encouraging banks to lend and invest in undeserved markets regardless of customers' immigration status.
The US armed forces has also seen an influx of foreign troops, an average of 20% of ground troops in Iraq are now non citizens, this is set to rise to 50% over the next year with foreign recruitment stations facilitating the supply.
Think about this, non-US citizens wearing the uniform of American soldiers, stationed at home and abroad.
Today the Dallas Morning News reported that patrons of the Dallas-based Pizza Patrón chain, which caters heavily to Latinos, will be able to purchase American pizzas with Mexican pesos. What kind of twilight zone have we entered here? Yeah forget the dollar, it's basically dead now anyway - lets just use the Peso as the national currency.
Social Security, roads, military, intelligence gathering, regulations, federal agencies - all within the US, Canada and Mexico are being merged into one system at the cost of national sovereignty and the common law.
We are talking about an advanced empire state with a class based multicultural chowder bowl for a population, something has to give somewhere. The Soviet Union and The former Yugoslavia are telling examples of what happens when many cultures are played off against one another and asked to coexist within one country. Most recently this cultural phenomenon has been evident in France which seems to be on the same track of self-destruction with its massive non-assimilating 2nd generation Muslim population.
This cultural rift is already overwhelmingly evident in the US. We have previously covered the Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution from groups such as the Atzlan reconquista movement, MEChA and La Raza who call their American based radio stations "the Invasion". Such groups have no desire to respect US culture and wish for nothing more than the US to be broken up . Of course these groups are minority movements, yet their reach evidently becomes increasingly appealing to proud Mexicans when the President tells them they can come to the US and do awful jobs because they are less worthy than Americans.
Social, political and economic forces are pulling America apart and driving her toward a bloody conflict that may fracture the nation into several different countries. Bush's rhetoric of allowing a legal force of underling workers that will do the dirty work for America sounds like a direct avocation of a creation of a massive underclass of illegal, Third World, uneducated and poor slaves.
This only serves to benefit one section of society, the elite.
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Council supports smoking ban in cars
By Meg Haskell
Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - Bangor Daily News
BANGOR - In 10 days, Bangor will become the first city in Maine, perhaps in the nation, to ban adults from smoking in any motor vehicle when children are present.
In a 6-3 vote Monday night, the Bangor City Council approved a measure that prohibits any driver or passenger from lighting up a cigarette or other smoking material in a motor vehicle if anyone under age 18 is in the vehicle. Violators of the new city ordinance can be fined $50. The law applies to any motor vehicle on any public road within the city limits.
In a move that surprised the measure's supporters, the council endorsed an amendment from Councilor Patricia Blanchette that changes a violation of the ban from a secondary offense to a primary offense. That means police can stop a vehicle carrying children if smoking in the vehicle is observed. As originally drafted, police would have to stop the vehicle for some other reason, such as speeding.
Blanchette, a smoker herself, spoke forcefully against passing a lackluster measure that might lack enforceability or "teeth."
"A secondary offense is not worth the paper it's written on," she told fellow council members. People who smoke with a child present in the confined space of a car or truck might as well be deliberately trying to kill that child, she said. "Let's step up to the plate and lead; our children are worth the fight," she said.
Several area residents spoke in favor of the original measure, including several medical professionals.
Pediatric dentist Jonathan Shenkin, a primary drafter of the proposal, told the council that measures to ban smoking in restaurants, bars and workplaces protect adults from unwanted exposure to secondhand smoke, but that children are not protected by these laws. He cited a recent study from the Harvard School of Public Health and report from the office of the U.S. surgeon general showing that children are now at the highest risk of health complications from exposure to other people’s smoking materials and that passenger vehicles are a significant source of this exposure. He argued that the city’s leadership on this issue would encourage other municipalities, and perhaps the Legislature, to adopt similar measures.
Pediatrician Robert Holmberg said the evidence is "incontrovertible" that exposure to cigarette smoke causes medical disorders in children, including asthma, bronchitis, ear infections and heart disease.
"Children are the most in need of the protection by public policy, because they can't protect themselves," he said.
Holmberg told the council the cost of providing health care to children exposed to secondhand smoke is "astronomical."
Other supporters included representatives from the Bangor Region Chamber of Commerce and the Fusion Bangor development group, who argued that the ordinance would demonstrate the city’s dedication to children, families and a healthy work force.
Shawn Yardley of the city's Department of Health and Welfare said the ordinance would help attract state, federal and private foundation grant dollars to promote public health initiatives.
The measure had some detractors at Monday's meeting. Aaron Prill of Bangor said the ordinance was a "feel-good option" that was not intended to protect children but to "moralize" against smokers. Most smokers have enough common sense not to smoke around children, he said.
Children are exposed to more smoke in their homes than in cars, said Eugene Savoy of Davis Road in Bangor. His wife, Denise Savoy, said the council should allow residents to vote on the measure.
Council members debated at length before taking the final vote. Councilor Susan Hawes said police should devote their energies to more important issues, and that there's already too much government intervention in residents' lives. Councilor Anne Allen stressed the importance of developing a strong educational campaign to enhance the new law. Councilor Gerry Palmer said he was willing to go out on a limb and pass a measure that might draw criticism but had the potential to serve the public interest. Councilor Geoffery Gratwick urged the council to show leadership and set an example for the rest of the state.
The measure passed, with Councilors Susan Hawes, Frank Farrington and Peter D'Errico voting against it.
Similar statewide measures have been adopted in Arkansas and Louisiana and are under consideration in several other states.
Wow. They've finally passed a law which bans smoking in cars when children are present. Although I wholeheartedly agree that it is poor behavior for adults to smoke in a car with kids present, this law is absolutely ludicrous. In principle, it sounds great, but in reality it is just more "big brother." This is one more law the government can expand to keep the courts in business.
If you visit Bangor, Maine, make sure you don't smoke in your own car if you have kids. While you're at it, if you visit NYC, don't get caught with contraband black market french fries. We won't bring up the concept of responsibility - government will do that FOR us. Thanks big brother!
-b0b
(...scoffs.)
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