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spanky Post Whore FTP Server Offline Posts: 1540 Detroit-ish Gender:	Re: Cry freedom! Reply #1110 - Jul 30^th, 2008 at 2:00pm Hmm, speaking of funny things yelled out of moving cars... Briney, do you still have those seat covers?!
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Reply #1111 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 1:58pm

Want to know why I believe the war on terror is a farce. Here is one example:

Here are two news stories.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/terror/main4301490.shtml

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1517986

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One of al Qaeda’s top chemical and biological weapons experts was killed in an air strike by a CIA pilotless drone in a remote Pakistani border region, senior Pakistani intelligence officials told CBS News Tuesday morning. Intelligence officials investigating the early Monday missile attack confirmed that Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri was one of six men killed and his remains had been positively identified.

From the second story:

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ABC News has learned that Pakistani officials now believe that al Qaeda’s master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed in last week’s U.S. missile attack in eastern Pakistan. Midhat Mursi, 52, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri, was identified by Pakistani authorities as one of four known major al Qaeda leaders present at an apparent terror summit in the village of Damadola early last Friday morning. The United States had posted a $5 million reward for Mursi’s capture.

It appears to be the same story right? Except for the fact that the first one is from 2008 and the second one is from 2006. We've seen this time and again with Al CIA-adea's #2 in Iraq being killed again and again and again.

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7464 Battle Creek, Michigan Gender:	Re: Cry freedom! Reply #1112 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 4:00pm Hmm, that's more than a little eyebrow-raising. -b0b (...wonders if the blogosphere will pick up on this?)
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Stick Wootzor von Leetenhaxor FTP Server Offline Stick is back Posts: 501 Michgan Gender:	Re: Cry freedom! Reply #1113 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 6:23pm One of the articles says that they believe(unconfirmed) he is dead and one says he is dead(confirmed). Its probably hard to confirm kills these days when all we do is call in airstrikes and hellicopter raids, blow everything up and then try to identify the minced body parts.
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Reply #1114 - Jul 31^st, 2008 at 10:21pm

Ahh, here's the rub...

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Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar, known as Abu Khabab al-Masri (Arabic:مدحت مرسي السيـد عمر) (April 29, 1953, Egypt – July 28, 2008, Pakistan) was a chemist and alleged top bomb maker for al-Qaeda and part of Osama bin-Laden's inner circle. The United States had a US$5 million bounty on his head. Although reportedly killed in a U.S. attack in January 2006, intelligence officials now believe he survived and went on to attempt to resurrect al Qaeda's program to develop or obtain weapons of mass destruction.[1] According to Pakistani and Taliban spokesmen, Mursi was killed in a second missile attack on 28 July 2008, thought to be by US UAV launched missiles.[2]

It looks like Stick nailed it.

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(...is sure they'll find a new "top target" to replace him.)

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MediaMaster GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline Holy Xenu! Posts: 1884 Detroit Gender:	Re: Cry freedom! Reply #1116 - Aug 6^th, 2008 at 11:49pm Definitely.
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Reply #1117 - Aug 8^th, 2008 at 9:29am

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Cancer drugs ruled as too costly by NHS

By Kate Devlin

CANCER patients are to be denied drugs that could keep them alive after the NHS rationing watchdog ruled that they are too expensive.

Patient groups said the decision, announced today by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice), would condemn many sufferers of kidney cancer to an "early death''.

The four prohibited medicines include Sutent, which can prolong life in kidney cancer patients by up to two years. The draft guidance also rejects Avastin, Nexavar and Torisel.

Nice said the drugs were too expensive, at about pounds 24,000 a year per patient, for the benefits they offered and would mean the health service was less able to afford more cost-effective drugs for other illnesses. However, the decision reignites the debate around how the NHS prioritises which drugs are approved for use.

It comes just a week after Andrew Dillon, the chief executive of Nice, said smokers and the obese should not be denied NHS medication because of their lifestyle.

Following Nice's latest decision, one surgeon said there would be no point in accepting kidney cancer patients if he was not able to prescribe Sutent because so few respond to other treatments.

Prof John Wagstaff, from the South West Wales Cancer Institute, in Swansea, said: "The possibility that we clinicians may be prevented from offering Sutent to our patients is an outrage. This decision will mean that the UK will have the poorest survival figures [for the cancer] in Europe.''

Prof Peter Littlejohns, Nice's clinical and public health director, said: "Although these treatments are clinically effective, regrettably the cost to the NHS is such that they are not a cost-effective use of NHS resources.'' He added that the organisation had to make some of the "hardest'' decisions in public life.

Around 7,000 patients are diagnosed with kidney cancer in Britain every year. The disease progresses to the advanced stage in around 1,700 cases annually.

Approximately 3,600 patients in Britain would be eligible for Sutent, which acts against the growth of advanced kidney cancer and is available more widely in France and Germany.

Campaigners said patients would be left with just one other option, Interferon, but many sufferers do not respond to the drug. Otherwise they would have to pay for the drugs privately.

Nice previously faced controversy over its advice that Herceptin, the breast cancer drug, could only be used for advanced cases. Following a sustained campaign and legal battles, the drug was allowed for early stages of the disease.

In May, the Court of Appeal ruled that Nice had been procedurally unfair in refusing to give anti-dementia medicines such as Aricept, costing about pounds 2.50 a day, to thousands of Alzheimer's patients. They have so far been denied the medicines, and are awaiting Nice's economic reasoning.

James Whale, the broadcaster who was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 2000, said Sutent had given many families "hope for the future'' and urged Nice to think again.

He said: "If final guidance remains as it currently stands it will certainly mean an early death sentence for many.''

Some local health care trusts have been offering the drug to small numbers of patients.

William James Lloyd, 62, was given Sutent after being diagnosed with cancer three years ago, and says it allowed him to see the birth of his two youngest grandchildren.

The retired headmaster from Llanddewi Brefi in Ceredigion, west Wales, said: "This drug has let me live to see things I could not have seen otherwise.''

Nice does not intend to offer a final decision until January. Patients already on the medication should continue to receive the drugs until they and their doctor think it is appropriate to stop treatment, according to the guidance.

Pat Hanlon, from Kidney Cancer UK, said that the decision would have a "devastating impact on patients."

This is yet another reason why socialized healthcare is such a bad idea. When the .gov gets to make life or death decisions on your behalf simply because a treatment is "too costly," you know something is serious screwed up.

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Reply #1118 - Aug 21^st, 2008 at 2:57pm

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/nyregion/22wtccnd.html?hp

The New York Times

August 22, 2008
Report Says Fire, Not Explosion, Felled 7 W.T.C.
By ERIC LIPTON

GAITHERSBURG, Md. — Fires in the 47-story office tower at the edge of the World Trade Center site undermined floor beams and critical structural columns, federal investigators concluded Thursday, as they attempted to curb still-rampant speculation that explosives or fuel fires were responsible for the building’s collapse of Sept. 11, 2001.

The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

Mainstream engineers and government officials have rejected the speculation as ridiculous. But national polls have shown that perhaps as many as 1 in 7 Americans believe that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was an inside job.

The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

Skeptics have questioned if explosives were planted at 7 World Trade Center, as well as the twin towers and the Pentagon, as the Bush administration was seeking a justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What started as a small number of such conspiracy theorists has only ballooned into a movement of sorts, largely fed by Internet sites that promote the theories.

“Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns,” said Richard Gage, a California architect who leader a group called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. “There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”

The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building — to power the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center and other government offices — might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, based in part on computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.

Dr. Sunder said the investigation pointed to how expansion that can occur in steel as it heats up in a fire needs to be considered to prevent skyscraper collapses.

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”

A new, substantially different, 52-story 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006.

I'd love to know what Stewie and Briney think of this.

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Reply #1119 - Aug 21^st, 2008 at 11:40pm

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The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

The NIST report for WTC 1 and 2 came out way too quickly and we had to wait 7 years for them to get around to BS and tamper with the evidence for WTC 7.
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“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

Video and photographic evidence? I hope they finally release some. The authors of the 9/11 conspiracy lies book from PopMechanics said they saw photos only they were allowed to see. I wonder if we'll get to see the entire floors gutted as they claimed they were. If NIST and that book are opposite in any detail, one of them should be called into question if not both. Also, computer simulations are not evidence, there are 3 different versions alone of the Pentagon hits and there are at least 2 computer simulations of both WTC 1 and 2.

What I'm really looking forward to, if they cover it at all are two simple questions:

1) Why did WTC7 call at near free fall speeds?

2) Why did WTC7 fall in its own footprints?

There are other questions I have but the NIST report won't cover it. Such as:

1) Why is there video of a crew man saying they were getting ready to "pull" the building (demolition lingo for taking down a building with controlled demolitions).

2) Larry Silverstein, the own of the WTC complex, is on record saying that he knew the building was coming down and that they were going to "pull the building". If that's not in the NIST report somewhere it should still be explain.

3) If WTC1 and 2 came down somehow because of jet fuel then what did cause WTC7 to ignite fires especially since it's the furthest building away and other buildings that had 1 and 2 fall on them didn't come down or ignite fires.

4) If high rise steel buildings are this weak to come down as a result of a little fire, do insurance companies need to raise their rates for buildings like these? Also when did steel because a puss construction material and melt at far less temperatures than its chemical bonds allow it?

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No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

I think that says it right there. Get rid of the place that the operation was carried out from.

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It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

Amazing, a news article is finally reporting things we 9/11 Truthers have been saying since day 1. 9/11 was the first, last, and only time that a steel building has collapse as a result of fire. Let's not forget that the entire structure (1, 2, and 7) were both demolished/destroyed completely. That means that every single critical part of that building had to fail. The designer and primary repair person are on record saying that they never thought any of those buildings would come down, even after seeing planes crash into it.

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Mainstream engineers and government officials have rejected the speculation as ridiculous. But national polls have shown that perhaps as many as 1 in 7 Americans believe that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was an inside job.

Over 1/2 of all New Yorkers believe this in a Zogby pole and at least 1/3 of all American believe this in a CNN/ABC/etc. polls.

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The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

So let's see here. A building that is built to house a command center from the mayor, CIA, and a bunch of govt agencies is so flimsy that particle debris can ignite a fire, the sprinkler system could fail, fire fighters stop trying to put out the fire just because, and this is some 6 hours after the collapse. Not to mention Rudy Guillani is on record saying that he was told to leave WTC7 because it was going to collapse. If they knew all this, why didn't they try and put out the fire that would lead to more rubble and possibly more causalities. You also have to explain Silverstein's "pull it" comment.

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The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

We must stop building strong steel buildings like this! If one small beam is out of place just a little a whole building could fall down! What do we call this again? Oh right...BS!

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Skeptics have questioned if explosives were planted at 7 World Trade Center, as well as the twin towers and the Pentagon, as the Bush administration was seeking a justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What started as a small number of such conspiracy theorists has only ballooned into a movement of sorts, largely fed by Internet sites that promote the theories.

Well where else can the normal people of America get a free voice? Main stream media? Nope. Public forums? Oh that's right PATRIOT ACT and Ashcroft and Bush have said no to this. So ya, the Internet is our only recourse to question our elected officials. Because asking questions can now get you on the No Fly List, thrown into a secret prison without trial, and labeled a "nut" even by those you elected.

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“Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns,” said Richard Gage, a California architect who leader a group called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. “There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”

I advise anyone to go to A&E for 9/11 Truth's website. They are an amazing group. These people aren't quacks, they know what they're talking about because it's their livelihood to know things like this!

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The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building — to power the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center and other government offices — might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, based in part on computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.

This was one of 5...FIVE...different explanations given by all sorts of government agencies and published magazines attempting to debunk the "9/11 lies". If you're a cop and a suspect changes his story, wouldn't that make you mighty suspicious?

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Dr. Sunder said the investigation pointed to how expansion that can occur in steel as it heats up in a fire needs to be considered to prevent skyscraper collapses.

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”

Before I make any more assumptions I'd like to get my hands on the report when it comes out. Then I can do a more thorough job at a response.

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A new, substantially different, 52-story 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006.

Hopefully no one will smoke by it because if one ember gets on the new carpet...THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO TURN INTO A ROCKET SHIP AND BLOW UP!

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Reply #1120 - Aug 28^th, 2008 at 6:54am

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1

What happens when a real reporter who doesn't want to be controlled by corporate and political ties tries to report on a subject that actually affects the American voters?

You get arrested.

Can you tell me who else used the police in order to silence people in the media who didn't go with the state?

How about every dictator who ever rose to power? And just think of it, this is a whole country's political power behind it.

Too sad, screw American.

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Stick Wootzor von Leetenhaxor FTP Server Offline Stick is back Posts: 501 Michgan Gender:	Re: Cry freedom! Reply #1121 - Aug 28^th, 2008 at 9:15am Did anyone see them put the black sack over his head after they put him in the van? Very suspicious activities there...
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Reply #1123 - Sep 12^th, 2008 at 6:50pm

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U.N. Agency Eyes Curbs on Internet Anonymity
CNet (09/12/08) McCullagh, Declan

Technologists and privacy advocates are very concerned by the United Nations' (UN's) International Telecommunication Union's (ITU's) drafting of technical standards proposed by the Chinese government to define techniques of tracing the original source of Internet communications and potentially restricting the ability of users to maintain anonymity. "What's distressing is that it doesn't appear that there's been any real consideration of how this type of capability could be misused," says Electronic Privacy Information Center director Marc Rotenberg. One of the most disturbing aspects of the initiative is that it could institutionalize a means for governments to suppress their opposition, which conflicts with the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, notes Columbia University computer scientist Steve Bellovin in a recent blog post. Countering distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks is the most commonly cited rationale for IP tracebacks, but Bellovin says the method's usefulness in this regard has waned because few attacks employ spoofed addresses, there are too many sources in a DDoS attack to be useful, and the source computer inevitably would turn out to be compromised anyway. Technologist Jacob Appelbaum warns that a traceback system would offer malevolent hackers the ability to commit wrongdoing without being caught, thus abusing the very system that is designed to trace them. The official charter of the ITU's Q6/17 group states that it will work "in collaboration" with the Internet Engineering Task Force and the U.S. Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center, which could supply a route toward widespread acceptance. A formal legal mandate to adopt IP traceback would likely be blocked by the First Amendment in the United States.

There is no way in Hell this will ever happen, but its interesting nonetheless to see what the UN is up to.

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