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Title: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 24th, 2008 at 9:39am
Since I've been posting so many articles related to the economy lately, I thought it'd be prudent to start a thread for articles focused purely on the latest retarded moves by Bernanke, the Fed, and the rest of the .gov related to our country's financial status.
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This whole idea of an "economic stimulus package" is pretty retarded. The government is in crazy debt, but they want to slash taxes and hand out rebates like candy? I've got a better idea. Let's slash welfare and other socialist program, pay off the debt, and then slash taxes. Of course, that would be a responsible fiscal policy, and we can't have that! Just as a "wow" note, I heard the other day that we would have to stack $1,000 bills over 64 miles high to have enough money to pay off our debt. How sick and sad is that? Now, a stimulus package is bad enough, but Pelosi wants to hand out tax rebates to people that don't even pay taxes! How the hell do you give someone a rebate on something they've never paid in the first place? At that point, it isn't a rebate, it's a gift - also known as wealth redistribution, also known as socialism. Tax rebates for anybody while the .gov is running a ~$200 billion deficit is retarded. $300-$800 isn't going to fix the economy, and Bush wants to increase our deficit another $150 billion for tax rebates? WTF? You guys that are single with no kids and pay in 30% of your income to the .gov will get a $300 check, but a welfare queen with three kids that hasn't paid a dime in taxes in her entire life will get $1,200. Not only is it going to further break the economy, but it's entirely unfair in all regards. Besides, how does 10% of the population get away without paying taxes? I had to pay tax when I made $5.75 an hour in high school. I can't imagine any able-bodied person making less than that in a year! Let's face it, Pelosi just wants to buy another 30-50 million votes. End of story. -b0b (...gives up.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jan 24th, 2008 at 11:08am
I got yelled at not too long ago about not giving money to charity for homeless people. They said that I make more than enough to live off of and I should help people who don't have that.
Well guess what. If you are able to stand, lift 20 lbs, and stay awake for 8 hours you can get a job down here if you even remotely try. I see signs for factories looking for workers everyday. There is only one reason these people are homeless, welfare. Quote:
Why would illegal immigrants pay taxes? Sad thing is it isn't just the government making these kind of great financial decisions. Through my new job I have met 3 people who all took the buyout/layoff from GM. I spoke with one guy about it. He was cut a check for 145k (before taxes) to retire early/be layed off. But when GM offered it they didn't have nearly enough people in the new work force to fill positions. So he was hired back at his old salary. In the end his pention is going to be less, but he got a 145k bonus. Now as retarded as this sounds I hate to say Ford is thinking of doing the same thing on a massive scale (again). And it is sad that Ford and GM are headed out, but we only have the unions to thank for that. ...hmm I got off track. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 24th, 2008 at 11:51am
It looks like it went through as advertised. Damn it...
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If they are just going to hand out money, why not just make it $10,000 or $100,000? That would really get the economy going. If you pay thousands in taxes and have no kids, you get back $300. On the other hand, if you pay nothing in taxes and have three welfare babies, you receive $1200.00 in free money! Woohoo! I love how this has changed from a tax rebate to full-blown wealth distribution practically overnight. Of course, you get really screwed if you make more than $75,000, in which case you get a whopping nothing! This in spite of the fact that you pay ridiculously high taxes. How the Hell is that fair? Just as an FYI... Quote:
Thanks for supporting America, rich people. I hope you weren't expecting a check like the rest of us... -b0b (...grrs.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Jan 24th, 2008 at 1:28pm
With a country who's worth a good 10s of trillions of dollars...do they really expect this to "stimulate" the economy?
I also find it funny that when the Republicans give out tax refunds the Dems cry and cry. However, when the Dems want to give out free money that comes from the tax payers and "redistribute the wealth"...that's a good thing? X (Boggle) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by computerjuvenile on Jan 24th, 2008 at 2:41pm
I think Bob quoted the prices wrong. Not a huge deal, but still
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 24th, 2008 at 2:50pm
Where did I quote the prices wrong?
-b0b (...didn't see it.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 24th, 2008 at 3:02pm
If this rebate is similar to the 2000 rebate, it's nothing more than an advance on the normal 2007 tax refund. In other words, if you would normally get a $1,000 tax return in 2008 for 2007's taxes, but you get $300 from this "Stimulus Package," you'll get $700 next year instead.
If this is the case, I wonder what will happen to the folks that don't pay taxes? If their normal tax burden is $0, does that mean they'll owe $300 next year if they get a $300 payout this year? I'm sure Pelosi will quickly forgive that debt if that's the case. -b0b (...hopes a fully detailed outline is given soon.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jan 24th, 2008 at 3:03pm
bob, you did it wrong, just live with it.
I can't wait to get my refund. I am going to stimulate the economy by giving it all to charity. BAHAHAHAHA! Almost had you there. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Jan 24th, 2008 at 3:25pm
Bush's plan was to eliminate the 10% tax bracket, allowing folk to get up to a max of ~$800 back. In this new plan, everyone gets 300 back, except for the rich... and those that pay income tax get 300 more.
then of course theres more if you're married or have kids. I don't know where the $300 is coming from to pay those that don't pay income tax. I haven't seen anything about this coming out of next years rebates. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 11th, 2008 at 9:33am Quote:
I thought this article was pretty decent at summarizing the current credit crisis. It'll be interesting to see what the future holds. -b0b (...recession?) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 17th, 2008 at 9:01am
The Asian markets are getting the crap beat out of them right now.
I bet the DOW is going to plummet this morning. If you've got any investments, be sure to hold on to your hats! -b0b (...puts on his crash helmet.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Mar 17th, 2008 at 9:18am
Don't worry, I have all my money invested in MacGyver collectible plates!
Lets hope those don't drop in value... |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Mar 17th, 2008 at 10:15am
They never will...and if you ever need to make an escape device if your apartment is on fire, they will double as safety devices/nuclear weapons.
X |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 17th, 2008 at 11:43am
Don't forget the paper clip and duct tape!
-b0b (...vital accessories for pwnage.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 17th, 2008 at 12:24pm
speaking of pwnage, I saw a license plate that said IPWNJOO and I weeped for humanity.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 17th, 2008 at 12:52pm Quote:
JP Morgan bought Bear Stearns for about 2% of the price they closed at on Friday afternoon, which was steeply down anyway due to the credit crisis. The Fed offered to support up to $30bn in future losses related to the transaction. The Fed had to violate their own rules to make the deal, since they are normally prevented from loaning money to anyone except federal banks. That scares me a bit. -b0b (...cheers at lower interest rates, though!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 17th, 2008 at 3:57pm
Here are some scary charts. The first one shows the value of the dollar...
The second chart is even scarier. This shows the amount of capital held by US banks that isn't borrowed. As you can see, it has gone straight off a cliff... -b0b (...thinks it's a great time to buy investments.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Mar 17th, 2008 at 4:04pm
I doubt either of those charts takes into account inflation either. The dollar is probably half of what the first chart says...if that.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 17th, 2008 at 4:30pm
Oops, fixed the images in my last post. Here's another one from the Wall Street Journal.
-b0b (...Chicken Little!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 17th, 2008 at 5:26pm
Dude that is major!
When the crap would all this hit the fan? The fact that US owes so much money, and US banks owe so much money cant mean that things are going to be good for much longer eh? |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Mar 17th, 2008 at 5:56pm
All China has to do is find another big consumer of their lead tainted products and then call in their markers...bam...a depression that would make the 30s look like the 20s.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Mar 18th, 2008 at 2:13pm
Saw on msn that china might have to shut down a bunch of its power plants and factories to reduce the air polution there for the olympics.
Take that nonfailing economy! |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:34pm
Rumor has it that Beijing will shut down car traffic outside of government and Olympic-related driving for the Olympics.
Some guy on AR15.com is in Beijing right now and posted a ton of pictures of the city. It's really quite beautiful, but the smog is absolutely unbelievable. If I find the post again, I'll tack it here. -b0b (...should have bookmarked it.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 18th, 2008 at 3:35pm Quote:
I was really hoping they would cut the rate by a full point. I hate to see the dollar get trashed any more than it already has, but the rate cut is really handy for those in the housing market (like me!). -b0b (...hopes mortgage rates drop by at least 50 basis points next week.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 18th, 2008 at 4:12pm
Hmm... didn't really consider that. I wasn't planning on getting a house for another 2 years but...
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 18th, 2008 at 4:36pm
In all seriousness, now is the time to buy. Assuming the economy doesn't completely crash and burn, it's very possible we'll never see a 2.25% fed funds rate again in our lifetimes.
The national average for a 15-year mortgage is 5.09%, and that's doesn't reflect the 0.25% drop from Sunday or the 0.75% drop from today. In another week or so, I bet the 15-year mortgage rate will be around 4.5% and the 30-year rate will be around 5.10%, both of which are ridiculously low. On top of that, you have an unbelievable amount of inventory on the housing market to choose from. You can set up your wish list of goodies (big kitchen, multiple bathrooms, pool, etc) and find fifty house that matches your exact needs. Of course, the best part is that houses are dirt cheap right now. Meredith and I found a $70,000 house that we wanted to "lowball" for $60,000, but the house dropped to $60,000 before we could put a bid in. It originally listed at $90,000! I'm guessing housing prices will be a fair amount higher where you're at, but you still can't beat this market. It's an incredible time to be a buyer! -b0b (...thinks buyer's markets rock.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jun 27th, 2008 at 12:06pm WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! -b0b (...hold on to your hats, boys and girls!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jun 27th, 2008 at 4:22pm
Good thing I am throwing all my money into my car. Could have lost it otherwise!
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jun 27th, 2008 at 4:59pm
Yanno, at the moment, that might actually not be such a bad idea.
I've lost my butt on a couple investments over the past six months, namely Thornburg Mortgage (TMA). I bought in at $1.50 because surely they weren't going to sink any further, right? They are trading at $0.25 today. Ouch. -b0b (...should invest in a 5.9 instead.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:01pm
You shoud invest in a V8 car...not a jeep. You will have more fun in the car, trust me.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:03pm spanky wrote on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:01pm:
First, have I ever told you you're a post whore? And second, I'd like to be able to get to work in July and December in my V8. I'd like to see you conquer Shimmel Road after a blizzard with your Mustang! -b0b (...wants both, actually.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:07pm
Does it count if it is just the 5.0L ... in the ranger?
Bob! Did you leave work already?? Slacker! |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jun 27th, 2008 at 5:57pm
Dude, it's Friday. Working past 5:00pm is a SIN.
-b0b (...is sure he heard that once.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 8th, 2008 at 8:17pm Quote:
Wow! If that isn't a sign of the times, I don't know what is! -b0b (...scary!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jul 9th, 2008 at 1:30pm
Well I do feel sorry for them...but american car companies are making some seriously retarded moves.
Like the 2010 mustang. Ford had a choice of the special edition being a boss with a 6.2L V8 with 425hp and 450tq...or a much slower SVO ecotech 4 cylinder with almost 300hp and 270tq. With estimates putting the 4 cylinder at 4 more mpg that is what they chose. Way to kill the only car you have been selling. There is a reason the SVO bombed in the early 1980's... Sorry for the rant, these companies are starting to really piss me off. And before I get the "lulz hondas rox my sox" on july 5th I went to the strip again and a total of 5 civics had to be towed away. Yeah, that's quality for you. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 9th, 2008 at 2:05pm
lulz hondas rox my sox
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Stick on Jul 9th, 2008 at 2:24pm
lulz hondas rox my sox
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jul 9th, 2008 at 6:23pm
I hate you all...except wes' mom.
Half price wednesday?! |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 10th, 2008 at 8:25am
That's almost as good as Two-For-One Tuesday.
-b0b (...cheers!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by musiciannary on Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:07am
Every time I see this thread pop up I think about the politically correct language I'm being taught to use to refer to people with disabilities and want to say something in response...
...but then I stop myself and realize that, in context, it's being used perfectly. It always makes me smile. =) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 11th, 2008 at 9:00am
I always get hit whenever I use the word "retard" around a certain friend. It doesn't deter me.
Virtually every slander in the book was at one time a legitimate and accepted reference to one thing or another. For what its worth, the word "idiot" used to be the accepted phrase used to refer to developmentally handicapped individuals. It's a fairly common slander today, and nobody thinks twice about using it to refer to an undesirable element. Why should "retard" be any different? Like most languages, English is constantly evolving. Just pick up a KJV bible. Not only do we add new words to our repertoire on a regular basis, but we also stop using certain words or phrases. Other words continue to be used, but their meaning can change considerably. Words like "retard," "perfect," and "sucks" are all great examples of this. -b0b (...tubular!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by The_Fat_Man on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:15am spanky wrote on Jul 9th, 2008 at 6:23pm:
I havent been on this forum in like a year, and you sons of bitches are still burning my Mom? One day you will all pay for this, no one crosses the Fat Man and gets away with it for long sirs. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:23am
It just wouldn't be the same without the constant innuendo about your mom.
It's even better now that we have a risqué picture of her. -b0b (...printed and framed it.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by The_Fat_Man on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:48am
Still a douche I see b0b. Glad things never change. Does your misses know your infatuation with sleeping with my mom jokes? hmmmm
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:53am
Yeah, but I sleep with her mom too, so it all equals out in the end.
-b0b (...is a bit of a manwhore.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:58am
No bob, whores get paid...you're just a hussy.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:02am
Call it what you will. I'm still the one that's getting some.
-b0b (...can't be choosy.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Jul 11th, 2008 at 12:08pm
*tear* It's like we got the band back together!
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:15pm
Uh oh! Every reunion tour eventually goes down in flames!
-b0b (...wonders when he is going to get those Britney Spears tickets from Wally?) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by spanky on Jul 11th, 2008 at 1:27pm
I will join the tour!
...As soon as I get out of rehab. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:47am Quote:
Please securely fasten your seatbelts, lean forward and place your head between your knees. We will give you further instructions as warranted. Thank you for your cooperation. As one MarketWatch reader so eloquently put it... Quote:
It was a fun ride, eh? -b0b (...weeeeeeeeeee!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 12:22pm Quote:
I thought this was an excellent article, and it does a great job of summarizing and explaining some of the craziness that is roiling the markets right now. You can read the rest of the article here. -b0b (...found it highly informative.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:19pm
Epic read.
This line I found particularly poetic. Quote:
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:27pm
So true. When I got to that line, I really had to stop and think for a minute. It's incredibly mind-boggling how even our most advanced economic practices and theories all come right back to what God has given us.
-b0b (...the "single spoken sentence.") |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 3rd, 2009 at 1:04pm Quote:
I wonder if this will go anywhere? I can't believe congress isn't raking Paulson and Bernanke over the coals for the lack of transparency in this I'd love to see the Treasury describe this as a matter of national security to avoid the FoIA disclosure requirements. -b0b (...wants to dropkick all of them in the nuts.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:16am I just wanted to share this lovely little chart with you guys. This is the number of dollars circulating right now. Does anybody else see a scary trend? -b0b (...unsustainable in any market!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by The_Fat_Man on Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:21pm b0b wrote on Dec 22nd, 2008 at 2:27pm:
Oh please, money comes from the Sun? What kind of hippie ass religious nonsense is that article even about. The ignorance of people is fucking mind boggling sometimes. I weep for this world and its population of sheep. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:26pm The_Fat_Man wrote on Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
Somebody put their angry pants on this morning. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? -b0b (...roffles.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by The_Fat_Man on Jan 25th, 2009 at 2:21pm
Religious nonsense always puts my angry pants on.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Ironman on Jan 25th, 2009 at 9:40pm
Someone didn't read the article.. ::)
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 26th, 2009 at 2:33pm Quote:
Just in case you guys were wondering where your tax dollars are going... -b0b (...isn't even sure he can get angry at these guys anymore.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Jan 27th, 2009 at 11:04am Quote:
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Jan 27th, 2009 at 12:54pm
If Obama really wanted to do something he would take all the money away from them and sue them for misappropriation and fraud. How about the amount of 800 billion dollars just being "a number that was really high" and that was the only basis for the corporations asking for that much?
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Stick on Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:56pm
The truth behind that article was that they were selling two $27 million jets to purchase this single $50 million jet. They just don't include these things in the article so it makes headline news.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:54am
Although relevant and certainly worthy of mention, that doesn't excuse Citigroup's purchase. When you're depending on the taxpayer for the life of your business, you don't go out and buy a 50 million dollar toy, even if you sell two 27 million dollar toys to do it. Besides, I can pretty much guarantee their existing jets aren't going to net anything close to $27 million in this market.
Take a charter jet. Better yet, get on a 747 like everyone else. Do you know how many first-class tickets you can buy for $50 million? -b0b (...for crying out loud!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Ironman on Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:55pm
They did order the plane two years ago and would lose a bunch on the deposit. I'm not defending them, but I don't think we're going to get all the budget details from the news..
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Jan 28th, 2009 at 2:45pm Ironman wrote on Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:55pm:
I understand that, but I think it would be a justifiable loss, especially in light of the pounding their stock has taken since news of this first broke. Citigroup should have sunk this deal in mid-2007 at the latest. I'm sure the deposit loss would have been significantly lower. See, this is the problem with our government backing private companies. The whole country has the right to complain about Citi's spending practices because all of us are now stakeholders. If Citi wouldn't have gone on the public dole, none of us would have any right to complain about how Citi chooses to spend their money (unless we happen to be shareholders). -b0b (...thinks it is a bad situation all the way around.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by The_Fat_Man on Jan 28th, 2009 at 4:03pm
I think the government fixing private companies problems is a bad idea period.
I know that people lose jobs, the economy suffers and all that. But giving the control of our private corporations over to the backing of the government is a long slippery slope indeed. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Feb 9th, 2009 at 1:21pm
Since Obama is in neighboring Elkhart, Indiana today to push his retarded pork-laden "stimulus" bill, I thought it was a good time to share this dated but particularly poignant essay. Enjoy!
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Feb 10th, 2009 at 11:09am
It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. They keep this up there won't be a federal government, and who knows what happens to our money (debt) at that point.
let the banks fail, it was their irresponsibility many years ago that is causing this mess. sigh. less talk on the web, more marching. (says the guy posting on a forum) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Feb 10th, 2009 at 12:19pm MediaMaster wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 11:09am:
You first! Honestly, marching rarely solves anything. When is the last time you saw a "march" on DC do anything? Did the Million Man March or Million Mom March solve anything? Not really. Besides, conservatives don't really march all that often. Unlike filthy hippies, we have jobs, families, and other things that prevent us from wasting a week walking around the capital. -b0b (...is just sayin'.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Feb 10th, 2009 at 1:05pm
I think marching did help during the civil rights movement but now with govt agent provocaturs it's kind of hard not for a government boot licker to start something, flee, and get the peaceful protestors arrested.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Feb 10th, 2009 at 1:59pm
It will do something. I mean when you see CEO's driving in cars to DC or banks abandoning plans to buy a jet because of public outcry that is something. They are caving to "public pressure."
Which consists of media attention on the matter. They could have just gotten the jet anyway, who cares. But they wanted to "look good" to the people because in the end we are the consumer or depositor of their products. They don't want any black marks so we continue to put money in the bank and buy things. So what happens when real pressure is put down in terms of massive marching or something? Who knows. There's a lot of criminals on wall street and in the government that need arresting. Won't happen till the ones in charge feel there is enough pressure and they have to give a little. A lot of pressure and they give a lot. At least, that's the logic. Heh, at this point some in charge don't even pay their taxes so we see how thats going to go. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Ironman on Feb 10th, 2009 at 3:49pm
Yeah, but the government isn't selling anything, I don't think they respond to public outcry the same way a business would. Also, I think it is easy for people to see a march as a minority (perhaps crazy) view in contrast to a silent (rational?) majority, especially if everything is driven by the media. If I were an official I think I would respond better to a nicely written letter, if I were to read any.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Feb 10th, 2009 at 3:55pm
ya but people are filling the boxes (and inboxes) of senators. They had i think 300:1 ratio of people saying don't do a bailout but they went ahead and did it. and then they all got reelected haha.
This rebublican/democrat party system is brilliant. people identify with a side and then just bloody vote straight down party lines with no real research. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:04am Quote:
But what happens when you replace the consumers with a govt body who bank rolls you? Then the govt becomes the consumer and anyone else doesn't really matter. I think both of you make good points that I'd like to combine: The government isn't selling anything, yet we don't kick out the people who are doing what the people don't want. We bring this yoke on us on purpose and all we have to do is shrug our shoulders and we'd be free from it. Government representative became government AUTHORITIES. Police protect and serve became Us Vs. Them. Business products became government handout establishments. We have lost our way and now we stand at the precipice and we're either going to turn...or burn. X |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Feb 11th, 2009 at 9:05am X wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:04am:
Sure it does, both figuratively and literally. Did you listen to any of the campaign promises that were thrown about by both parties like candy? "Vote for me, and I'll lower taxes on the poor!" "Elect me and I'll fix healthcare!" "Choose me and I'll get the economy back on track!" Politicians whore themselves out with promises, and occasionally they even fulfill those promises. That's why we have things like welfare, private industry bailouts, and my personal favorite - the Earned Income Credit. I hate to admit it, but America wants Socialism. The politicians promise it, and we elect them. We act surprised when they force it down our throats against our vocal opposition, but then we vote the same folks (or their identical twins) back into office. The bailout is particularly troublesome. Opposition to the first bailout (TARP) was incredibly vocal, but the politicians passed the plan anyway. Now, the second bailout is twice as large and the opposition is much quieter. Why? We don't care. We've given up. The first time is an outrage, and second time is just "business as usual." The numbers are so incredibly large that we can't even fathom them. If $700 billion is okay, than $1.5 trillion is just another drop in the bucket, right? -b0b (...thinks America has a very short attention span.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Feb 11th, 2009 at 10:23am
Here's a 15 year old Calvin and Hobbes comic strip that explains the economic crisis we live in today:
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Stick on Feb 13th, 2009 at 4:46pm
I think that comic only describes about 5% our economic crisis.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Feb 14th, 2009 at 2:34pm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Ironman on Feb 16th, 2009 at 12:56pm
hahaha
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by X on Feb 16th, 2009 at 4:01pm
We are earning that pay? I thought I was being forced to pay for other people and to a system that didn't care about me.
Whodda thunk?! X |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 6th, 2009 at 12:09am
There's just too much news to post for this thread. It's all very sobering to see people praying to the obamassiah still. You can still read the praise and see delighted looks of the media when they speak of him, as the country spends it's way into oblivion.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 19th, 2009 at 1:15am
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/18/business/fed.php
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Unbelievable. Our money will mean nothing if Bernake keeps this up. On the minor plus side, this should lower mortgage rates in the next month or 2 at a time im prolly gonna get a house. Now how long I get to stay in said house until our currency goes kaput, who knows. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 19th, 2009 at 6:47am
In short, the Chinese weren't buying our debt, so the Federal Reserve did it for us.
-b0b (...short term deflation, long term inflation!) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 21st, 2009 at 3:36pm Quote:
This has never been more true than it is today. -b0b (...thought he'd share that.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 21st, 2009 at 5:32pm
I love that quote.
This is truly a dark day if obama follows through with this. Goodbye capitalism. Hello communism. |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 6:54pm
We all know the economy has gone to Hell in a hand-basket, but it can be quite difficult to figure out just how each piece of the "crisis" is interconnected. I came across this nifty five minute video that simply articulates the overall problem and how each component affects the other. It's a good watch!
http://vimeo.com/3261363 -b0b (...came away a little bit smarter.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:35pm
Very nice find bob! Now he needs to do one on what the government is doing to "fix" it by screwing the country over in the long term. he also needed to talk more about CDS, there's more to it than mere insurance against mortgages defaulting. Very cool introduction to the problem, though, i forwarded it around.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on May 3rd, 2009 at 8:12pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on May 3rd, 2009 at 9:52pm
Yea this is not going well for bonds, tnx is already above 3. Bernake will continue to print money to buy treasuries. With all the upcoming treasury auctions, this won't be fun. Maybe congress will learn to stop spending what they don't have.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on May 3rd, 2009 at 10:30pm MediaMaster wrote on May 3rd, 2009 at 9:52pm:
The stock market isn't going to be real happy about this either. It'll be interesting to see how the Dow reacts to this tomorrow. -b0b (...shrugs.) |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on May 3rd, 2009 at 10:32pm
well judging by the markets reaction to news lately, id say up 300 points!
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on May 6th, 2009 at 12:50am Quote:
Why even invest anymore? Also, the latest from the fed: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/treasury_department_issues ha! this is fun too: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_ready_to_be_lied_to_about?utm_source=a-section |
Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by Briney on May 12th, 2009 at 4:47pm
Red highlights indicate the annual jump in tax receipts from tax month (April) For the first time since 83, April had a deficit. We were about 170 billion off from this time last year. Time to sell more Treasuries/print money! hooray, we're doomed.
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Title: Re: Economic Retardation Post by b0b on May 12th, 2009 at 6:44pm
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
-b0b (...shrugs.) |
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