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Title: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 15th, 2007 at 12:24pm
A very interesting bill has been introduced in the Montana house of representatives. It declares that any firearms manufactured and retained in Montana are simply not subject to any federal regulation under the power of Congress to "regulate commerce ... among the several states."
If it passes, this bill will open the door to unregulated, Montana-only firearms manufacture. It may also set up a nifty test case over the alleged power of Congress to regulate everything under the Sun under the guise of regulating "interstate commerce." I'd love to hear what you guys think about this law. You can read the bill at: http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2007/billhtml/HB0420.htm Quote:
-b0b (...is excited.) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 15th, 2007 at 2:25pm
GO MONTANA!!
This is amazing...a state that is willing to give up $$$ for protecting the rights of its citizens!!! [smiley=Shocked.gif] I love how the federal government basically declares everything bit mirrored laws (ex: federal taxes and state taxes etc) as needed to be under federal rule. You could say that about anything and everything if you really want to. I really don't think that's what the Fathers had in mind when writing that. Esp since they made the fed govt as small as they could. X |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 15th, 2007 at 3:05pm
My guess is that FedGov will claim that manufacturing and retaining an item in-state will still qualify as "interstate commerce" because it reduces the demand for out-of-state goods. The federal government did the same thing with a medical marijuana case in California.
The defendant grew her own medical marijuana using seeds obtained in-state, perfectly legal under state law. The FedGov destroyed her plants, leading her to sue them for damages because the FedGov has no jurisdiction over intra-state commerce. The supreme court disagreed, stating that the defendants homegrown and home-consumed marijuana constituted inter-state commerce because she would no longer buy her marijuana out-of-state (which is illegal anyway, but that apparently doesn't concern SCOTUS). The commerce clause apparently deals with not only supply, but demand (or, in this case, the inherent lack thereof). That kind of thinking, folks, is tyranny in action. -b0b (...takes a bow.) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 15th, 2007 at 3:05pm
Here's the Wikipedia entry for the case I was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Raich -b0b (...loves Wikipedia.) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 15th, 2007 at 3:39pm
Well even going back to the very first lawsuit on the federal government under the regulation of inter state commerce is still pretty wacky to me.
A farmer in the Midwest grew his own personal crops and fed it to his own livestock and him and his family ate it. They didn't sell the crops, nor did they buy any. The fed govt swooped in and burned his field. Their justification was that this farmer would drive up the prices of food stocks because he wasn't purchasing food sources that he would use to feed his family and his live stock. Please forgive me for not remembering the cases name. So there you have the govt basically limiting the ability for an individual to provide in a manner for his lifestyle and family all on his own. I don't understand a lot of what the feds say fall under interstate commerce. I think they should sink all their money into our roads and let schools become more state run. Make the roads out of something like that clear concrete or just have metal roads! Something that wouldn't require them to work on them every 2 years! X |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 15th, 2007 at 3:53pm
The case you're referring to is Wickard v. Filburn, a case that dealt with the (highly unconstitutional) Agricultural Adjustment Act. I was thinking about mentioning that very same case in my earlier post but forgot to do so.
Here's the Wikipedia page for the case... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn -b0b (...is full of Wiki links.) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 15th, 2007 at 4:42pm
Yep that's the one! Thanks.
X |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 15th, 2007 at 4:48pm
For what it's worth, there was at least one case that swung in our favor on the Commerce Clause, US v. Morrison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._v._Morrison -b0b (...wonders how you can have both stances?) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 15th, 2007 at 7:48pm
I don't understand what that case had to do with the Commerce Clause. It's about a rape assault not about money or food or goods or services?
X |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by The_Fat_Man on Feb 15th, 2007 at 9:09pm
That guy in the Wickard case is full of shit. Look at the Wikki page. He claimed the wheat was for private use, yet he would have had to eaten 44 1 pound loaves of bread every day for a year to eat it all with his family?
Guy was BSing trying to get around commerce laws. |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 15th, 2007 at 10:21pm
Well he also had livestock he was going to feed with it to. It's misleading a bit with the wording but personal use also meant to feed his family and livestock.
X |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 16th, 2007 at 11:15am
Yeah, livestock consume a lot more wheat than a human ever could. That statistic is somewhat retarded and I don't understnad the point of including it in the Wiki (outside of pure bias).
As for the Morrison case, Pat, "not understanding what that case had to do with the Commerce Clause" is the entire point. It has absolutely nothing to do with commerce, which is why the federal government had absolutely no legal right to pass such a law in the first place. Rape is a state issue, not a fed issue. -b0b (...shrugs.) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 17th, 2007 at 3:04am
Ha ha ....ok I thought I was missing something there. And what I was missing was that I got the point.
X (weird!) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by b0b on Feb 20th, 2007 at 12:20pm
I thought you guys might like to know that the bill passed all three readings and passed the House of Representatives 83-17. It's going to the Senate!
-b0b (...w00t!) |
Title: Re: Firearm Laws - Montana Fights Back Post by X on Feb 20th, 2007 at 1:16pm
Awesome...The MT Senate will more than likely pass it too. Good for them.
X |
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