From Telegraph.Co.UK...


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Many of the youths blame Mr Sarkozy for the continued violence, with what they consider to be highly provocative language.  He has pledged to "industrially clean" council estates and to rid them of "scum". On Sunday night, he promised "zero tolerance" of suburban crime.  Two rioters have already received three-month jail sentences and a dozen more face charges. "We're not dumb.  Sarkozy has declared war on suburban youth," said Karim, 23.  "Unless he apologizes for the way he has treated us, then he can expect 40 nights of violence," he said. But others around the estate back Mr Sarkozy.  "What he says may be crude, but he's right.  Drug runners and petty criminals have had it good too long around here.  There's only so much social prevention you can do, then you have to repress," said Marie-Jeanne Sacré, a social worker. In the neighbouring Bosquet estate, Traore Gounedi, a 27-year-old worker in a local social centre, is incensed.  "Ten years ago, Clichy was a real no-go area.  But in recent years we had built up sports clubs and other associations and it had become calm. "The way Sarkozy has dealt with this, using riot police and terms the National Front would be proud of, has put the clock back 10 years. Once Ramadan ends on Friday, things will get worse."

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Paris has suffered its seventh consecutive night of rioting, with youths torching cars and vandalising shops and businesses.

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Around 40 vehicles, including two buses, were set alight in nine towns in Seine-Saint-Denis, a high-unemployment largely-immigrant district of the French capital.

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The worst affected area was Aulnay-sous-Bois, where a police station was briefly besieged by gangs of rioters.

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President Jacques Chirac called for calm as firefighters and police struggled to contain the rioters and the fires.

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The violence began after two teenagers died when they were electrocuted in an electricity sub station while apparently fleeing police.

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Eleven vehicles were burned out and a policeman lightly injured after clashes between French youth and riot police.

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Cars and vans were set alight during riots in the suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois

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During the riots hundreds of youths went on the rampage, hurling molotov cocktals and shooting at a police van

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Many people have been detained by police in Clichy, which is home to many immigrants and poor families who live in high-rise housing estates.

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Police snipers surrounded a suspect building during the riots on the look out for any trouble.

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Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has referred to troublemakers as 'scum' and has taken a tough law-and-order stance towards the violence

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The violence spread to the suburb of Bondy, where rioters burnt down a carpet store. Cars and rubbish bins were also torched by gangs of youths.

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The Mondial Moquette carpet store was gutted by the blaze. Police said 60 vehicles had been set alight on the sixth night of riots.

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A burnt-out truck stands in Sevan, another Parisian suburb.

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The deaths and subsequent violence prompted residents to march through the area to call for calm.

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But the fighting continued. Riot police stationed in the town made regular arrests, and fired rubber bullets at missile-throwing youths.

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Representatives of the area's youth were invited to a meeting with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy on 1 November. More violence erupted as they met.

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Many of Paris' poor suburban districts have seen high unemployment and growing social problems in recent years.

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Firefighters and riot police have now been stationed in Clichy, as sporadic violence spreads across the city.

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Riot police were out in force in north-east Paris on Wednesday night during a seventh night of rioting.

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Once again, youths came on to the streets, setting light to vehicles in the suburb of Le Blanc Mesnil.

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In nearby Aulnay-sous-Bois police tried to bring the situation under control

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Residents of the poor, largely ethnic suburb watched from their windows as a car showroom went up in flames.

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Update:  France has surrendered.

-b0b
(...bahahaha!)

Germany has claimed they have now "liberated" France and they are handing out little German flags and something about high fiving at a 45 degree angle.

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(Boggled)

The tenth day of violence in France was marked this morning.  Ten police officers were shot, with two being wounded seriously.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4412316.stm

It's France, for crying out loud.  Where are these people getting guns?  Maybe gun control doesn't work after all?

-b0b
(...wonders when the French will call the Americans for assistance.)

So rioting spread to 300 towns last night.  What's France going to do now?  Will they give in to hearing out the Muslims?  Well if they do that then they say that when anyone is not happy, and who really is in France, then violence is an exceptable form of protest.  They also run the risk of buckling over something that started this out which was stupid, that is 2 Muslims were electricuted when they hid in a power station when they were feared to be chasing by the police.  But if they don't give in then they might loose their country to Anarchy.  And with the death of France where will we get bad fasion that is touted to be good, excellent chocolate, and ummm who else can we rub in the face that we saved them in WWII?

Any thoughts?

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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/051106/1/3w86l.html

1,300+ cars torched.  Crazy.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting#rage

Apparently, the rioters are getting more organized.  Police have found a "factory" for manufacturing gasoline bombs, which would indicate that some thought and planning is going into this.

If the Frenchies don't get this under control, they will see Bastille Day 2.0.

If this riot becomes a race war and the trouble spreads to the rest of Europe (especially Germany, where anti-foreign sentiment has been building for years), the veneer of European society could wear thin.  The recent middle eastern immigrants, guilty and not, could see the true face of the West that conquered the known world before it chose to get kinder and gentler.

-b0b
(...thinks it is a bad situation all the way around.)

Yea this escalation will only get worse, and the fact that copycat torchings and violence show the amount of tension that has been building in the country.

here are a few pics I found to be pretty interesting artistically.

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After Martin Luther King was killed, riots and arson broke out in many large American cities, most notably Detroit and Chicago.

Detroit tried to negotiate with the rioters and the authorities tried to "de-escalate" the situation, with the result that fires claimed both many lives and many buildings in the inner city.

Chicago's mayor Richard J. Daley (the late father of Chicago's current idiot mayor) - seeing what was happening in Detroit - issued two orders to the police force: Shoot to kill arsonists, and shoot to maim looters.  The rioting stopped overnight.

France needs to learn from history.  The rioters are trying to provoke the French government into doing something that will upset off the non-participant (moderate) Muslims and get them involved in the rioting.  Next starts a cycle of one-uppism that ends in all out war.  The Algerian terrorists did just that in the 1960 Algerian war, which was one of the uglies short-term wars in modern history.

For the record, the riots have claimed their first victim.


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PARIS, France (CNN) -- A man who was beaten by an attacker during rioting north of Paris has died, becoming the first fatality since urban unrest started 11 days ago, according to the French Foreign Ministry.

Revolting.

-b0b
(...coming soon to a shore near you.)

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Hey, where's Kofi Annan in all this?  Maybe he can get the U.N. to debate for a few years and successfully pass a resolution against rioting.  No?

-b0b
(...is harsh.)

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Like the urban riots in America in the 1960s, which the Kerner Commission blamed on “white racism,” Paris’s riots are being blamed on France’s failure to bring Islamic immigrants into the social and economic mainstream of the nation.  Solutions being offered range from voting rights for non-citizens to affirmative action in hiring for the children of Third World immigrants. To understand why this is unlikely to solve France’s crisis, consider how America succeeded, and often failed, in solving her own racial crisis. While, as late as the 1950s, black Americans were not integrated fully into our economy or society, they had been assimilated into American culture. They worshipped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, listened to the same music and radio, watched the same TV shows, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same books, magazines and newspapers, and went to schools where, even when they were segregated, they learned the same history. We were divided, but we were also one nation and one people.  Black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in our common land longer than almost every other ethnic group save Native Americans.  And America had a history of having assimilated immigrants in the tens of millions from Europe. But no European nation has ever assimilated a large body of immigrant peoples, let alone people of color.  Moreover, the African and Islamic peoples pouring into Europe—there are 20 million there now—are, unlike black Americans, strangers in a new land, and millions wish to remain proud Algerians, Muslims, Moroccans. These newcomers worship a different God and practice a faith historically hostile to Christianity, a traditionalist faith that is rising again and recoils violently from a secular culture saturated in sex.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10116

Interesting take.

~BRiney

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005/11/neo-confascist-provocateurs-behind.html

This article is quite interesting as well

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/08/D8DOBC40M.html

Oh wow state of emergeny declared...man I should stop rioting.  Oh and cerfew envoked...oh man how is anyone going to riot now...I don't want to break cerfew.

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(Shutters)

Cry me a freakin' river...


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Hurt pride shows as France sees world report riots PARIS, Nov 8 (Reuters) - A barrage of critical world media reporting on the violence in its rundown suburbs is rubbing nerves raw in France, which is more used to hearing praise for its food, its countryside and its opposition to the Iraq war. In tones ranging from outrage to rueful agreement, French media are now reporting daily on the harsh terms that foreign television stations and newspapers choose to describe the unrest among France's angry youths of Arab and African origin. France laughed off "freedom fries" -- as French fries were renamed in Washington -- and other anti-French sentiment in the United States at the start of the Iraq war in 2003, but its reaction to the riot reporting carries a between-the-lines admission of hurt pride. "From Italy to South Africa, Poland to China, from CNN to al-Jazeera, the newspaper headlines and television commentaries set against a background of blazing cars are really hyping it up," the popular daily Le Parisien complained. The Foreign Ministry has criticised some foreign reports as excessive and at least one cabinet member, Labour Minister Jean-Louis Borloo, has hinted the critical reporting was meant to hit back at France for opposing the U.S.-led Iraq war. French media have run hard-hitting reports on the riots, just as they have been very critical of social or racial problems abroad. But seeing equally tough reporting about their own country seems to have caught the French off guard. Eric Raoult, mayor of the eastern Paris suburb of Raincy, did not like being at the receiving end of outside attention. "Last night, Japanese television and Turkish television were in my city hall telling me what should be done. That hurts me," he said. While reporting on the hard-hitting coverage in the United States media, one Paris radio station noted with relief a New York Times report saying the city centre was safe for tourists. BAGHDAD ON THE SEINE "Fire and blood in France -- at least that's what some foreign media claim is going on," Le Parisien wrote. "Paris is burning, civil war, war zone, race riots -- the headlines, especially on TV, often have no nuance." The conservative Le Figaro was indignant about the way U.S. media reported from riot-hit areas such as Seine Saint Denis, the rundown area between the capital and its Charles de Gaulle airport to the north. "American newspapers don't hesitate to compare Paris to Baghdad or Seine Saint Denis to the Gaza Strip and to call the crisis a 'Katrina of social disasters'," an editorial fumed in a reference to the recent hurricane. Other commentators objected to the way foreign media stress the ethnic backgrounds of the rioters and the racial discrimination they complain about -- issues less prominent here because France officially does not recognise it has minority communities. CNN, the U.S. satellite channel that Paris would like to launch a French-language channel to compete with, is watched especially carefully for anti-French nuances. "CNN runs the headline 'French Violence' on its website like it had 'War in Iraq' during the American intervention," Le Monde noted disapprovingly. The Nouvel Observateur weekly said CNN talked about possible civil war, curfews and deployment of troops -- without mentioning some French politicians were using the same terms. Fox News, a leading outlet of anti-French sentiment after Paris opposed the Iraq war, was also held up for criticism for broadcasting headlines like "Paris Burning" over a picture of the Eiffel Tower before a wall of flames. But the critics were not without self-criticism. Le Figaro said the riots were "too good an opportunity to pass up, an opportunity to mock the country that claims to have invented human rights and that's always ready -- yes, it's true -- to lecture the rest of humanity."

Emphasis added on that last sentence.  At least one Frenchy sees the irony in this whole situation.


[Frenchman]Don't point out that our country is going to hell, it hurts my feelings.[/Frenchman]

-b0b
(...rolls his eyes.)

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Wow, France really is surrendering!

http://www.forbes.com/finance/feeds/afx/2005/11/08/afx2324420.html


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AFX News Limited ROUNDUP French PM announces raft of measures for riot-hit poor suburbs 11.08.2005, 11:47 AM ----by Marc Burleigh ---- PARIS (AFX) - Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin unveiled a raft of social and economic measures designed to improve conditions in France's tough, low-income neighbourhoods that have spawned unrest raging across the country. The initiatives -- outlined before parliament the same day the government approved powers to declare a state of emergency in specified regions of the country -- aim to reduce chronically high unemployment in those suburbs, provide better education and address entrenched racism. 'Our collective responsibility is to make difficult areas the same sort of territory as others in the republic,' Villepin said. But he added that 'the reestablishment of public order is a prerequisite' to the measures being implemented -- something he admitted would 'take some time.' The intiatives are: - the creation of an anti-discrimination agency with special officials appointed to be in charge of certain regions, and making the fight against discrimination a national priority; - 20,000 job contracts with local government bodies or associations paid a minimum wage would be reserved for those in the suburbs struggling to find work; - an extra 100 million euros (120 million dollars) for associations that work in the neighbourhoods; - 5,000 more teaching assistant posts in the 1,200 schools in districts designated as troublespots; - the creation of 15 more special economic zones that provide tax breaks to companies that set up inside them as an incentive to boost local employment. Villepin also said 'social imbalances due to an insufficiently controlled flow of clandestine immigration' would be tackled. Many of the areas affected by the initiatives are impoverished districts on the periphery of cities and towns populated predominantly by families which immigrated from France's former colonial possessions in Africa. The youths perpetrating the violence that has gripped the country since October 27 are mostly drawn from the large Muslim communities that live in the neighbourhoods. They have complained that, though often born in France, they endure racial discrimination when looking for work, have poor-quality education and few economic options other than to participate in the trade in drugs and stolen goods that is rife.

Apparently, the French Prime Minister's plan for stopping the rioting is to give the rioters lots of money, preferential treatment, and expanded social services, and crack down on discrimination against them.  Freakin' ridiculous.

-b0b
(...probably shouldn't have expected any different.)

Wow...I'm going to riot in France and get whatever I want...cause that's how it works...right?

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(Right?)

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-prager13nov13,0,5189241.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

This is a beautiful article...right here....Great journalism.

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Amazing article, Stewie!  Reposted here for posterity.


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Five questions non-Muslims would like answered By Dennis Prager THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims. Here are five of them: ADVERTISEMENT (1) Why are you so quiet? Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah. There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror? (2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian? If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians. (3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country? According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this? (4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam? Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel. (5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions? No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians. Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world. As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords. Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim. We await your response.

This is definitely going to upset some people.

-b0b
(...so be it!)

Here are more of his articles.  Good stuff.

http://www.dennisprager.com/column.html

-b0b
(...is reading several.)

I really don't know if I agree with most of the stuff this guy talks about.  I like his stance on education in one of the top atricles.  If you're for education then you must be against teachers unions.  Amen...let's get rid of theat dept of education!

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